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    Correct. But I just read right through that mess. It is odd that anyone would inject that stuff into the narrative when it seems not to have purpose towards the story. The thing that bugs me more than that is the use of dialectical sayings/phrases and obscure words. The negative in this is that it takes me out of the story for a few beats while my brain processes these things.

    The one good thing I can say about using odd words is that it forces me to expand my vocabulary.

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    SLEEPING BEAUTIES, too, apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Staad View Post
    Correct. But I just read right through that mess. It is odd that anyone would inject that stuff into the narrative when it seems not to have purpose towards the story.
    Those with political opinions that border on the hysterical and hyperbolic and snarky (on either end of the political spectrum) seem to find it impossible to reign it in, regardless of its veracity or usefulness, when given a platform to express themselves. Hence my earlier concern about THE STAND.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonClinton View Post
    Those with political opinions that border on the hysterical and hyperbolic and snarky (on either end of the political spectrum) seem to find it impossible to reign it in, regardless of its veracity or usefulness, when given a platform to express themselves. Hence my earlier concern about THE STAND.
    Yeah, I really don't know what's different about it now than it's been in the past. Because King has always worked his political ideology into his books. Maybe he did it in a more subtle or honest way. I'm re-reading Tommyknockers and one of the main characters, Gard, is a wild left wing anti-nuclear protester poet. But it's important to the story And he's a flawed guy so it's not just pure righteous left-wing revenge on King's part. It seems there are parts in later books that are just King taking jabs at his ideological opponents. And those are annoying. Duma Key and Cell and Under the Dome are just a few that come to mind.

    Sleeping Beauties was not nearly as "bad" as some would have us believe. Yes, it does paint EVERY MAN as a horror to women. It goes on to describe how awful one guy is to buy a backyard pool without consulting his wife first. HORROR! That's a pretty lame example of an abusive relationship. SO it can be ridiculous in parts. But the story is fun and I enjoyed the hell out of it.

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    Well, the CD thread over on TDT sure turned into a shit show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian861 View Post
    Well, the CD thread over on TDT sure turned into a shit show.
    You're not kidding. All of that could have been handled a lot better by everyone. But then it wouldn't have been so entertaining.

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    I like it here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Staad View Post
    I like it here.
    Me too! In fact, I don't ever go "over there" unless it's mentioned here on the CD forum and I take a peek out of curiosity. It doesn't seem like a very friendly place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmaduke Grigsby View Post
    Me too! In fact, I don't ever go "over there" unless it's mentioned here on the CD forum and I take a peek out of curiosity. It doesn't seem like a very friendly place.
    I think people on that forum see TDT as the high stakes blackjack table where all the heavy-hitters gather to place their $150 minimum bets. They see this one as the $5 minimum table.

    Or simply, they see that as the adult table and this as the kiddie table.

    Of course none of that is true. And there are a lot of great people there. But the angry egos are so damn loud.

    In this particular blow-up, I think knightmare didn't have to make his case as forcefully as he did. He may have had a point, but he decided to be a lightning rod instead.

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    It can be very friendly. I had many good years over there. Loved the place.

    I just didn't like the unchecked political talk. That is why I left.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marmaduke Grigsby View Post
    Me too! In fact, I don't ever go "over there" unless it's mentioned here on the CD forum and I take a peek out of curiosity. It doesn't seem like a very friendly place.

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    This is true as well. If you want to be amongst some of the bigger SK collectors that is the place to be. There is a wealth of information available over there with many knowledgeable people.

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffingoff View Post
    I think people on that forum see TDT as the high stakes blackjack table where all the heavy-hitters gather to place their $150 minimum bets. They see this one as the $5 minimum table.

    Or simply, they see that as the adult table and this as the kiddie table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Staad View Post
    It can be very friendly. I had many good years over there. Loved the place.

    I just didn't like the unchecked political talk. That is why I left.
    I haven't really seen a lot of unchecked political crossfire. Recently there was a dust-up on YOUR NEW PRIDE AND JOY but RF stepped in and put a damper on it. Of course, there's the Politics thread but I just stay the hell off of that one.

    The stuff I see that I don't like is the biting comments and angry swings about things that don't call for that. Like sniping at people for simply being zealous Suntup fans or CD production schedules (seriously, CD has been nothing but fantastic with customer service--and yeah waiting sucks for customers but people need to understand that CD probably isn't happy with delays either and I wouldn't doubt that refunds are easily given for those who refuse to hang on. I simply don't get bitching about it in a crowded public forum!). Things that should be handled in private or in a less emotional way. I actually think it's gotten better over there recently. For the most part.

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    That is good. Doesn't change that it still occurs and bleeds into many areas on the site. That forum was a SK discussion board. I went there to get away from the barrage of negativity. I felt the tdt.org was no longer a sanctuary for me. Very happy that it is still thriving and people enjoy it.

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffingoff View Post
    I haven't really seen a lot of unchecked political crossfire. Recently there was a dust-up on YOUR NEW PRIDE AND JOY but RF stepped in and put a damper on it. Of course, there's the Politics thread but I just stay the hell off of that one.

    The stuff I see that I don't like is the biting comments and angry swings about things that don't call for that. Like sniping at people for simply being zealous Suntup fans or CD production schedules (seriously, CD has been nothing but fantastic with customer service--and yeah waiting sucks for customers but people need to understand that CD probably isn't happy with delays either and I wouldn't doubt that refunds are easily given for those who refuse to hang on. I simply don't get bitching about it in a crowded public forum!). Things that should be handled in private or in a less emotional way. I actually think it's gotten better over there recently. For the most part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Staad View Post
    That is good. Doesn't change that it still occurs and bleeds into many areas on the site. That forum was a SK discussion board. I went there to get away from the barrage of negativity. I felt the tdt.org was no longer a sanctuary for me. Very happy that it is still thriving and people enjoy it.
    I hear you! Unfortunately, divisive political discourse is an internet problem, not just a TDT problem. It seems to creep in everywhere. I agree that it shouldn't necessarily be in a place that focused on collecting delicious books or other non-political topics, but the outrage machine WILL. NOT. BE. DENIED. The rub of it is--I think most people can agree on the vast majority of things. The fringes aren't getting bigger, they're just getting louder.

    Anyway, we are totally in danger of turning this into a political discourse. See how easily we slide into the muck? On to happier things . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffingoff View Post
    I hear you! Unfortunately, divisive political discourse is an internet problem, not just a TDT problem. It seems to creep in everywhere. I agree that it shouldn't necessarily be in a place that focused on collecting delicious books or other non-political topics, but the outrage machine WILL. NOT. BE. DENIED. The rub of it is--I think most people can agree on the vast majority of things. The fringes aren't getting bigger, they're just getting louder.

    Anyway, we are totally in danger of turning this into a political discourse. See how easily we slide into the muck? On to happier things . . .
    Keep it clean men, keep it clean lOll!!

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    Like Marmaduke Grisby, I don't get over there much anymore, which it too bad, given the dearth of active horror-fiction forums. Just checked, and I have 900 posts, so I was somewhat active at one point, but it's been a while. But a(nother) declining interest in King, a forum atmosphere that is just too uneven in tone and too often syncophatic or bitter, etc. (never did get a political vibe from the place as Ben Staad mentions, but then again I only visited two boards: Calvin's Corner and Other Authors You Collect)..those and other factors just make it a place that doesn't lure me very often. I'll still peek in if I hear about something (like the CD/knightmare topic mentioned above), or need to see what's going with Suntup, or want to check on the Classifieds in the Other Authors You Collect subforum, but any degree of participation is pretty limited these days.

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    Completely off topic Ron, but do you read Daniel Woodrell, he wrote Winter's Bone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhatchett View Post
    Completely off topic Ron, but do you read Daniel Woodrell, he wrote Winter's Bone?
    I have read him, but not to any great degree, and not for some time. I've only read WINTER'S BONE, GIVE US A KISS, and TOMATO RED. I find his stuff to be well-written and objectively impressive, but whatever that secret sauce is that makes some authors click with you and others not...Woodrell just doesn't seem to have enough of it for me. It's almost as if the fatalism is cut too much with heart, the foibles with too much fortitude, and it creates a narrative that is, for me, too smooth around the edges for an Ozark/backwoods noir.

    An author who writes books of a similar nature and who is, as well, more liteary than genre, but who doesn't have some of those stylistic tics that smooth the edges too much, and doesn't sacrifice character for setting, is David Joy. If you're looking for backwoods noir, you may want to check and see what he's all about: https://www.david-joy.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonClinton View Post
    I have read him, but not to any great degree, and not for some time. I've only read WINTER'S BONE, GIVE US A KISS, and TOMATO RED. I find his stuff to be well-written and objectively impressive, but whatever that secret sauce is that makes some authors click with you and others not...Woodrell just doesn't seem to have enough of it for me. It's almost as if the fatalism is cut too much with heart, the foibles with too much fortitude, and it creates a narrative that is, for me, too smooth around the edges for an Ozark/backwoods noir.

    An author who writes books of a similar nature and who is, as well, more liteary than genre, but who doesn't have some of those stylistic tics that smooth the edges too much, and doesn't sacrifice character for setting, is David Joy. If you're looking for backwoods noir, you may want to check and see what he's all about: https://www.david-joy.com/
    Interesting analysis. I read Winter's Bone about a year ago and thoroughly enjoyed it. Yet I have not returned to the author.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhatchett View Post
    Completely off topic Ron, but do you read Daniel Woodrell, he wrote Winter's Bone?
    HAHAHA you can't go off topic on a thread titled Random Thoughts! It's all fair game. Except politics. And religion. And anything your uncle might say at Thanksgiving dinner.

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    Oh my God! I miss real Thanksgiving dinners.

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffingoff View Post
    HAHAHA you can't go off topic on a thread titled Random Thoughts! It's all fair game. Except politics. And religion. And anything your uncle might say at Thanksgiving dinner.

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