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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffingoff View Post
    There are no wrong opinions. Unless you like Bentley Little.
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    And here is the UK Cover:
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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Troy View Post
    Ain't that the truth. I read many King things when I was very young (I'm 49 now) and that leaves much room for opinion shift.

    Some of my opinion changes stem directly from the fact that I'm now a parent, the way I feel about certain things with children (for some reason the many child deaths in It never bothered me to read, but Tad in Cujo really did, it felt like just too much when I re-read it five years ago).

    Having a bit of perspective on life definitely has an effect. The Dead Zone also looked different; still the same great story, but the sense of my God, what a waste was overwhelming upon finishing my re-read around that time.
    I was 14 when I read The Stand the first time. I re-read it when the uncut version came out (I was 17). But it wasn't until I re-read it as a dad when I fully appreciated a lot of the horror of the apocalypse.

    BTW: I really liked the ending of Revival as well. I just thought the trip to it was not interesting enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonClinton View Post
    I do like that cover...reminds me of the art that's being done for Centipede Press' WE HAVE ALWAYS LIVED IN THE CASTLE...wonder if it's the same artist?
    I thought the same thing.

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    Picked up the slipcase, will get the book from Kim (and Simon), and listen on audio.

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    I will pick this one up the week it is released from Costco. There are very few authors on my automatic buy list. King being one of them along with Lansdale, Simon Clark and Mark Morris. Graham Masterton's horror novels also work. The rest of my current reads tend to be from the library.

    I tend not to read reviews till I have finished the book. Some to avoid spoilers and I just want the story to unfold for me without any opinion to influence my take.

    I understand some reviewers are very good about how they write about the book. When I was writing my reviews/column for CNN.COM I was writing them for an audience who definitely did not too many story elements revealed.

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    I haven't read a Simon Clark in a while, but I loved the ones I picked up through CD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsaenz24 View Post
    I haven't read a Simon Clark in a while, but I loved the ones I picked up through CD.
    I've got RAGE MASTER. Haven't read it yet. I don't think I've read anything by him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffingoff View Post
    I've got RAGE MASTER. Haven't read it yet. I don't think I've read anything by him.
    Darker by Simon Clark is a very unique and enjoyable read. I also recommend his Vampyrrhic series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonClinton View Post
    Me too!

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    They're at it again:

    The Institute variants

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian861 View Post
    They're at it again:

    The Institute variants
    They're right up their IDW when it comes to excessive variants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TacomaDiver View Post
    They're right up their IDW when it comes to excessive variants.
    And I'll buy them

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    The New York Times didn't much care for THE INSTITUTE (and, yes, I'm cherry-picking the review for the negative portion...but that negative portion essentially makes up half of the review...and, sigh, more Trump hysteria laced within King's narrative):

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/08/b...phen-king.html

    I read “The Institute” quickly and painlessly and I tried to enjoy myself. That I didn’t is partly a matter of temperament. I generally want to smack a (fictional) kid with special powers. I don’t care about quests or magic or Vulcan mind-melding. Yet I can suspend my predispositions. The right writer can convince me to stick around. King kept me marginally on the hook.

    “The Institute” buries itself under a self-generating avalanche of clichés. I began to underline them but I had to stop after a while; carpal tunnel is no joke. “Funny as a rubber crutch,” “seeya later, alligator,” “serious as a heart attack,” “none of your beeswax,” “coals to Newcastle,” “touch him with a 10-foot pole,” “not in Kansas anymore,” “go big or go home” — they’re termites, and they collapse this house before it’s even partially up. To be fair to King, he sometimes uses these half-mockingly and is partially in on the joke. But it’s hardly a good joke. Is a cliché tax feasible? At $10,000 a throw, paid to his publisher, to support rhyming poets (a suppressed minority), King could have all he wants.

    The right words are all we have in this world, and King too rarely pauses to search for them. He can access a good deal of genuine chrome-wheeled magic as a writer, but he reaches too often for the canned and frozen stuff, for the dried spices, for word-clusters that fell off the back of a Sysco truck.

    “The Institute” feels antiquated and a bit gamey in other ways. The novel is set in the present day, but potatoes are “spuds,” coffee is “joe,” food is “chow,” mosquitoes are “skeeters” and a doctor is “the local sawbones.” You may start to feel you’re in a ’50s-era cartoon strip, that you’re locked inside “Beetle Bailey.”

    This novel is less a motorcycle than a double-decker bus, but it does handle gracefully. The plot never stalls. There’s a fervent anti-Trump streak. And King still really knows what to do when he gets his characters out on the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonClinton View Post
    “The Institute” feels antiquated and a bit gamey in other ways. The novel is set in the present day, but potatoes are “spuds,” coffee is “joe,” food is “chow,” mosquitoes are “skeeters” and a doctor is “the local sawbones.” You may start to feel you’re in a ’50s-era cartoon strip, that you’re locked inside “Beetle Bailey.”
    This complaint doesn't make sense to me. This just sounds like a New York reviewer who hasn't been anywhere else who thinks everyone talks the way New Yorkers talk. I haven't read The Institute yet, but there are certainly places in the country that talk like this. Specifically small town / rural America, and SK likes to set his books in those kinds of places.

    Also if I kinda feel like if someone doesn't like SK writing anti Trump / anti Republican stuff they should probably stop reading him, because I don't think he's ever gonna stop including those themes.
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    I agree with both points. As I've stated elsewhere social commentary is fine and expected but straight up bashing is when I have to set a book down.

    Either way I will buy the book, read it or try to, and stick it on the shelf. Truly hope it is a great read.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Hocker View Post
    This complaint doesn't make sense to me. This just sounds like a New York reviewer who hasn't been anywhere else who thinks everyone talks the way New Yorkers talk. I haven't read The Institute yet, but there are certainly places in the country that talk like this. Specifically small town / rural America, and SK likes to set his books in those kinds of places.

    Also if I kinda feel like if someone doesn't like SK writing anti Trump / anti Republican stuff they should probably stop reading him, because I don't think he's ever gonna stop including those themes.

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    I am looking forward to this one. I will be reading it by this time tomorrow!

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    I got through the first two sections today, about 80 pages. So far I am really enjoying it. Much more classic King than his more recent work. It is nearly a 600 page book so it has lots of time to go south but so far I am pleased!

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    Read it yesterday. Loved it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonClinton View Post
    The New York Times didn't much care for THE INSTITUTE (and, yes, I'm cherry-picking the review for the negative portion...but that negative portion essentially makes up half of the review...and, sigh, more Trump hysteria laced within King's narrative):

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/08/b...phen-king.html

    I read “The Institute” quickly and painlessly and I tried to enjoy myself. That I didn’t is partly a matter of temperament. I generally want to smack a (fictional) kid with special powers. I don’t care about quests or magic or Vulcan mind-melding. Yet I can suspend my predispositions. The right writer can convince me to stick around. King kept me marginally on the hook.

    “The Institute” buries itself under a self-generating avalanche of clichés. I began to underline them but I had to stop after a while; carpal tunnel is no joke. “Funny as a rubber crutch,” “seeya later, alligator,” “serious as a heart attack,” “none of your beeswax,” “coals to Newcastle,” “touch him with a 10-foot pole,” “not in Kansas anymore,” “go big or go home” — they’re termites, and they collapse this house before it’s even partially up. To be fair to King, he sometimes uses these half-mockingly and is partially in on the joke. But it’s hardly a good joke. Is a cliché tax feasible? At $10,000 a throw, paid to his publisher, to support rhyming poets (a suppressed minority), King could have all he wants.

    The right words are all we have in this world, and King too rarely pauses to search for them. He can access a good deal of genuine chrome-wheeled magic as a writer, but he reaches too often for the canned and frozen stuff, for the dried spices, for word-clusters that fell off the back of a Sysco truck.

    “The Institute” feels antiquated and a bit gamey in other ways. The novel is set in the present day, but potatoes are “spuds,” coffee is “joe,” food is “chow,” mosquitoes are “skeeters” and a doctor is “the local sawbones.” You may start to feel you’re in a ’50s-era cartoon strip, that you’re locked inside “Beetle Bailey.”

    This novel is less a motorcycle than a double-decker bus, but it does handle gracefully. The plot never stalls. There’s a fervent anti-Trump streak. And King still really knows what to do when he gets his characters out on the road.
    I am at the halfway point in the book and so far I am convinced the review quoted is for a different book. Nothing stated in the review has transpired yet. Things may change but I am really enjoying the story. A story which in no way is mentioned in the portions of the review listed here.

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