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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffingoff View Post
    I'm going to write "Cormac McCarthy" in mine.
    In Crayon. Don't worry about messing up. I'm sure there will be extra pages if you need to tear a few out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian861 View Post
    In Crayon. Don't worry about messing up. I'm sure there will be extra pages if you need to tear a few out.
    Joe Hill is signing mine.

    Wait, did I already make that joke somewhere else??

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffingoff View Post
    The Road is up for preorder tomorrow!!!

    Ron, are you still passing on this one?

    If I were you--even remotely on the fence--I would buy it and see if I was still unimpressed after seeing it and holding it. Then you should be able to sell it for more than you paid for it. You'll either have a fantastic edition or a nice little profit.
    Don't think it hasn't been at the very top of my mind today...the tick, tock of the clock is pounding in my ears like some doomed E. A. Poe character. I'm so damn torn...it's my favorite book for reasons already discussed and I'd been waiting and hoping for years that someone would do a deluxe edition of it (or his son would start selling his 250 signed copies), but I look again (repeatedly) at the pictures of the book and it just isn't clicking for me...that unsightly, heavy woven cloth, the front-board picture of the characters strolling along casually in windbreakers, hands in pockets, instead of in thick winter coats and plodding tired and weary, hunched against the chill caused by the blackened sky blocking the sun, as in this piece of art (that has been my phone wallpaper for years):

    road.jpg

    I know it's a fair gamble that I could recoup on the purchase price if I decide against keeping it, but 1). it keeps it from someone else who would presumably want it more, 2). I don't know this will have the assurance of value stability that his King and Hill books have, and 3). it seems like speculation, which is something I've avoided since I started collecting...nothing against those who choose to do it, but it's a practice that's just not for me as it's antithetical to why I read and collect in the first place.

    All that said, I'm sure I'll look at it again several more times today...I'm still stunned that I'm preparing to pass on my favorite book and am having trouble reconciling it. I guess I really won't know until 9am tomorrow.

    Quote Originally Posted by bsaenz24 View Post
    That is mighty pricey considered it's not signed by the author.
    It's higher than allows me to just say, Oh heck, I don't particularly like the look of it, but for $100, $150 I'll add it to my 1st ed. U.S. HC and 1st ed. U.K. HC. But if it was signed by McCarthy (who would not do it for reasons I outlined earlier), it'd be an instant sell-out at $2500/copy -- if not more -- and Paul would know that. At least at $300/copy it allows the majority of his regular customer base the realistic option/budget to purchase.

    Quote Originally Posted by pumpheel View Post
    No, I think it's a huge issue. I would have passed on Misery if King hadn't signed it. Joe Hill signs everything and, of course, The Haunting of Hill House and Rosemary's Baby were non issues since the authors have passed. At least, to me, an author's signature on their book means everything.
    For me, any book is more about the work than the author, so that would not have been a reason for me to pass...I'm sure Oates (signing) will pen an incredibly insightful introduction. For me, it's all about the design and aesthetics that -- sadly and tragically for me -- just don't click with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonClinton View Post
    Don't think it hasn't been at the very top of my mind today...the tick, tock of the clock is pounding in my ears like some doomed E. A. Poe character. I'm so damn torn...it's my favorite book for reasons already discussed and I'd been waiting and hoping for years that someone would do a deluxe edition of it (or his son would start selling his 250 signed copies), but I look again (repeatedly) at the pictures of the book and it just isn't clicking for me...that unsightly, heavy woven cloth, the front-board picture of the characters strolling along casually in windbreakers, hands in pockets, instead of in thick winter coats and plodding tired and weary, hunched against the chill caused by the blackened sky blocking the sun, as in this piece of art (that has been my phone wallpaper for years):

    road.jpg

    I know it's a fair gamble that I could recoup on the purchase price if I decide against keeping it, but 1). it keeps it from someone else who would presumably want it more, 2). I don't know this will have the assurance of value stability that his King and Hill books have, and 3). it seems like speculation, which is something I've avoided since I started collecting...nothing against those who choose to do it, but it's a practice that's just not for me as it's antithetical to why I read and collect in the first place.

    All that said, I'm sure I'll look at it again several more times today...I'm still stunned that I'm preparing to pass on my favorite book and am having trouble reconciling it. I guess I really won't know until 9am tomorrow.



    It's higher than allows me to just say, Oh heck, I don't particularly like the look of it, but for $100, $150 I'll add it to my 1st ed. U.S. HC and 1st ed. U.K. HC. But if it was signed by McCarthy (who would not do it for reasons I outlined earlier), it'd be an instant sell-out at $2500/copy -- if not more -- and Paul would know that. At least at $300/copy it allows the majority of his regular customer base the realistic option/budget to purchase.



    For me, any book is more about the work than the author, so that would not have been a reason for me to pass...I'm sure Oates (signing) will pen an incredibly insightful introduction. For me, it's all about the design and aesthetics that -- sadly and tragically for me -- just don't click with me.

    Very thoughtful, wonderful responses. And I think whatever decision you make, at least you're giving it the consideration it deserves. One thing I will put out there--one wrinkle--Paul often tweaks his designs as the productions move along. He recently changed the slipcase/container for Horns and it looks somewhat different now. He also tweaked Hill House as it moved along as well as the numbered edition of Misery. So things may shift and there's a chance it will shift in a way that reconciles your feeling of this masterpiece with the experience of the edition. Just another thing to consider.

    We'll see how the speculators and collectors respond at 9am PST.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonClinton View Post
    Don't think it hasn't been at the very top of my mind today...the tick, tock of the clock is pounding in my ears like some doomed E. A. Poe character. I'm so damn torn...it's my favorite book for reasons already discussed and I'd been waiting and hoping for years that someone would do a deluxe edition of it (or his son would start selling his 250 signed copies), but I look again (repeatedly) at the pictures of the book and it just isn't clicking for me...that unsightly, heavy woven cloth, the front-board picture of the characters strolling along casually in windbreakers, hands in pockets, instead of in thick winter coats and plodding tired and weary, hunched against the chill caused by the blackened sky blocking the sun, as in this piece of art (that has been my phone wallpaper for years):

    road.jpg

    I know it's a fair gamble that I could recoup on the purchase price if I decide against keeping it, but 1). it keeps it from someone else who would presumably want it more, 2). I don't know this will have the assurance of value stability that his King and Hill books have, and 3). it seems like speculation, which is something I've avoided since I started collecting...nothing against those who choose to do it, but it's a practice that's just not for me as it's antithetical to why I read and collect in the first place.

    All that said, I'm sure I'll look at it again several more times today...I'm still stunned that I'm preparing to pass on my favorite book and am having trouble reconciling it. I guess I really won't know until 9am tomorrow.



    It's higher than allows me to just say, Oh heck, I don't particularly like the look of it, but for $100, $150 I'll add it to my 1st ed. U.S. HC and 1st ed. U.K. HC. But if it was signed by McCarthy (who would not do it for reasons I outlined earlier), it'd be an instant sell-out at $2500/copy -- if not more -- and Paul would know that. At least at $300/copy it allows the majority of his regular customer base the realistic option/budget to purchase.



    For me, any book is more about the work than the author, so that would not have been a reason for me to pass...I'm sure Oates (signing) will pen an incredibly insightful introduction. For me, it's all about the design and aesthetics that -- sadly and tragically for me -- just don't click with me.
    One thing to consider. If the only reason you are thinking of passing are the design elements. Mr. Suntup has tweaked each book he has published from the originally shown concept before publication. You may pass based on what you have seen so far and then like what ends up getting published. You have a tough decision to make and I wish you luck in making a decision that you do not regret later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    One thing to consider. If the only reason you are thinking of passing are the design elements. Mr. Suntup has tweaked each book he has published from the originally shown concept before publication. You may pass based on what you have seen so far and then like what ends up getting published. You have a tough decision to make and I wish you luck in making a decision that you do not regret later.
    Great minds,Martin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffingoff View Post
    Great minds,Martin!
    That's funny. I saw your comments shortly after I posted mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    That's funny. I saw your comments shortly after I posted mine.
    I think we are both genuinely looking out for Ron. And it's interesting because I can't pass on this book and for you, it's an easy "no." So he knows he's not getting an agenda. At least not from you!

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    I'll play the voice on the other shoulder though. I don't think it's a good idea to buy something in the hopes that the design will change. Especially if it's a major part of the current design. That's just asking to be disappointed.
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    I appreciate the shared perspective of you two , Jeff and Martin, but he'd have to change all external design choices (woven cloth, the front-board pic) and I believe that's highly unlikely...maybe some slight tweak, but not a complete overhaul. No, I just have to base my choice on the aesthetics that're in front of me...and I have less than 24 hours to convince myself that passing isn't the right decision. Anything else is, as Dan said, a losing gamble.

    Tick, tock, tick, tock...
    Last edited by RonClinton; 04-12-2019 at 09:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Hocker View Post
    I'll play the voice on the other shoulder though. I don't think it's a good idea to buy something in the hopes that the design will change. Especially if it's a major part of the current design. That's just asking to be disappointed.
    THAT is totally true. You can't count on it to change and the parts Ron doesn't like seem to be key in the initial design. So it's a total off-chance. But I still think he'll be able to sell it if he's unhappy. Again, I wouldn't be making the argument for it if Ron didn't adore the book the way I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonClinton View Post
    I appreciate the shared perspective of you two , Jeff and Martin, but he'd have to change all external design choices (woven cloth, the front-board pic) and I believe that's highly unlikely...maybe some slight tweak, but not a complete overhaul. No, I just have to base my choice on the aesthetics that's in front of me...and I have less than 24 hours to convince myself that passing isn't the right decision. Anything else is, as Dan said, a losing gamble.

    Tick, tock, tick, tock...
    At the end of the day, Jeff can sign it for you when he comes to shoot his unboxing episodes to your house. He might even influence Joe Hill. It is bound to go up in value after that.
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    I will say that I see what Ron is saying about the engraving on the cover. Seems the illustrations are more in alignment with the feel of the story than the image on the cover. They do look casual. Not enough to dent my delight in this edition, but I see your point, Ron. And I can't disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffingoff View Post
    Again, I wouldn't be making the argument for it if Ron didn't adore the book the way I do.
    And I appreciate the cheerleading for the book...I sincerely hope Paul has a quick sellout to affirm the book's value to those who love it (along with those who are just buying it because it's Suntup and thus has a vague King connection and/or want to keep their subscription number and/or for speculation, etc.). It's our shared love for this book that's keeping me from tapping out on this one...any other book -- *any* -- and it'd be an easy decision. As it is and trying not to get hyperbolic about it, it's kind of heartbreaking for me that what is being offered is so far removed from the ideal that for years I'd envisioned of my favorite book.*

    *Again, not a slam against Paul and his design choices...they're just not *for me.* If the nuances of book design preferences isn't a subjective thing, I don't know what is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffingoff View Post
    I will say that I see what Ron is saying about the engraving on the cover. Seems the illustrations are more in alignment with the feel of the story than the image on the cover. They do look casual. Not enough to dent my delight in this edition, but I see your point, Ron. And I can't disagree.
    And it's the little things like that that instead become big things when it's featured front-and-center on the front, and become even bigger when the offering price is $300. For $300, one had better be pretty happy, or or least satisfied, with the product one is paying for.

    I agree that the interiors that I've seen seem to be better reflective of the story, so it's unfortunate that that particular art was chosen for prominent cover placement. It's funny, had there been another picture in its place and just a simple but high-quality leather used on the boards, this would be an entirely different conversation for me, and my finger would have been on the Order button at 9am tomorrow.

    Some might say those it's silly for me to let a couple simple design choices make all the difference, but those two features are what I see when I hold it closed in my hands and have it sit on the shelf, they are the most prominent and immediate and lasting visual components and representations of the book. I already have two 1st ed. HCs (U.S. and U.K.) on my shelf...this needed to be something that was visually special and stimulating for me, something that oozed pride-of-ownership on the shelf, to justify yet another edition of THE ROAD and the $300 expense, and unfortunately for me it just isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonClinton View Post
    I already have two 1st ed. HCs (U.S. and U.K.) on my shelf...
    By the way, for anyone who hasn't seen the 1st U.K., here're a couple pics of it...I do like the art used, simple but effective.

    roaduk1.jpg

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    EDIT: Number line is hard to read once I reduced and compressed the pic...for those looking for a 1st ed. / 1st printing, it's 1 3 5 7 9 8 6 4 2. Needless to say, like the U.S. edition, it went into many subsequent HC printings.
    Last edited by RonClinton; 04-12-2019 at 10:27 PM.

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    To likely no one’s surprise, with ten minutes to go until the pre-order window opens, it’s now official: After more wavering this morning, I have decided definitively to sit this one out. Best of luck to those who are after a copy, and look forward to congratulating you all.

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    Congratulations for those who purchased a copy! I am sure it will be a stunning book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonClinton View Post
    To likely no one’s surprise, with ten minutes to go until the pre-order window opens, it’s now official: After more wavering this morning, I have decided definitively to sit this one out. Best of luck to those who are after a copy, and look forward to congratulating you all.
    I purchased you a copy, Ron but I'll have to charge ya double. After all, friends don't let friends pay retail for books

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    As I've stated before, I'm passing on this one as well. The design doesn't grab me that much and frankly, I just don't have that kind of extra money right now. I made a major purchase recently and I just received invoices from Camelot and Centipede totaling over $500. Glad everyone who wanted one is able to get one.
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