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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian861 View Post
    And I'm probably really going to be in trouble now with my reply.
    He referred you to some bylaws. I think that counts as getting off with a warning. I'm too fragile for that forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffingoff View Post
    He referred you to some bylaws. I think that counts as getting off with a warning. I'm too fragile for that forum.
    Apparently, others are as well.

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    Thanks for sharing the email, Martin. I was curious as to what Paul had to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian861 View Post
    Thanks for sharing the email, Martin. I was curious as to what Paul had to say.
    yes, thank you, Martin. As someone who didn't get a numbered edition (because you beat my brains out and used a more compatible browser), I also didn't get the email and I had no right to ask for it since it is technically none of my business. But I appreciate knowing how the story was going to play out. I thought it was interesting that Paul's response hewed so closely to Simon's post (I believe it was Simon's post . . .). I agree with the decision, but not so much the rationale. If Paul opened it up to all owners who wanted a "fix" and all owners opted in, it would be a nightmare. So offering a refund instead of a "repair" is the best solution. One crazy idea I had that wasn't surfaced anywhere was allowing customers to deal directly with the printer/binder and then all risk is transferred to the owners and the binder. But that's also crazy.

    I'll just be over here sipping my tea and waiting for that artist edition.

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    Happy to share the letter from Suntup. Figured since we had discussed it as a group and not all received it I should post it.

    Also, as an owner of this edition I can say I am totally comfortable with how Suntup Editions has handled this. Every owner has to determine what this means to them but for me, I have a beautiful book on my shelf that I love. Yes, four pages are out of sequence but I am fine with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffingoff View Post
    He referred you to some bylaws. I think that counts as getting off with a warning. I'm too fragile for that forum.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian861 View Post
    Apparently, others are as well.
    I had to go and find the post in question - and wow. Okay then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TacomaDiver View Post
    I had to go and find the post in question - and wow. Okay then.
    Pretty much.

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    Even though a lot of us here are also over there - CD's Forums are definitely a much more welcoming place. I could probably go on for ages, but I won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TacomaDiver View Post
    Even though a lot of us here are also over there - CD's Forums are definitely a much more welcoming place. I could probably go on for ages, but I won't.
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by TacomaDiver View Post
    Even though a lot of us here are also over there - CD's Forums are definitely a much more welcoming place.
    I agree.

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    Just to clarify, it it has not been already, the first 185 copies were to be numbered in black and the last 15 in red. The blue ink was a mistake that Paul admits was his own fault. I have a blue one. As has been noted, other King editions have different colored ink, The Eyes of the Dragon S/L comes to mind..."26 red lettered, 26 black lettered, less than 10 Artist's copies, 250 red-numbered issued to friends, and 1,000 black-numbered copies produced."

    It is a strange practice intended to drive collectors even madder than they already are I believe.

    I really like Paul a lot and I can feel his pain and disappointment with the binding error. My question is though, did anyone that got one of the proofs look at it? Is the error in the proof or would that even matter once it goes from proof to print?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy View Post
    Just to clarify, it it has not been already, the first 185 copies were to be numbered in black and the last 15 in red. The blue ink was a mistake that Paul admits was his own fault. I have a blue one. As has been noted, other King editions have different colored ink, The Eyes of the Dragon S/L comes to mind..."26 red lettered, 26 black lettered, less than 10 Artist's copies, 250 red-numbered issued to friends, and 1,000 black-numbered copies produced."

    It is a strange practice intended to drive collectors even madder than they already are I believe.

    I really like Paul a lot and I can feel his pain and disappointment with the binding error. My question is though, did anyone that got one of the proofs look at it? Is the error in the proof or would that even matter once it goes from proof to print?
    Thanks for the clarification. Yea that seems like a really strange practice to me. What I can tell you, is that if you ever get a different color on the number at CD it'll be because I ran out of whatever pens I started numbering the books with...
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    Looking forward to my pink numbered The Stand!!

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    I have the pens for the next Signed/limited Edition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy View Post
    Looking forward to my pink numbered The Stand!!
    Ha! I usually only have black and blue pens, and we mostly use the fine point Sharpie Pens. Occasionally we'll use a red pen if black or blue ink doesn't really work in the numbering space. I feel like we may have used silver once as well.
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    Well, hello everyone! I'm a 'newbie' here, what with only 1 post! I feel awfully bashful. Well, not really, but I must say it does feel good posting on a new forum for the first time. I am more active over at the DT forum. First off, a big THANK YOU to everyone for the support you have shown to the signed edition of Misery, and to my press. Both here, and on other social media platforms. When I started on this journey, I never anticipated the level of support and enthusiasm that I have received. I truly appreciate it, and I thank you for it.

    As I was reading over some of the posts here, I thought it might be a good idea to clarify some misconceptions, as I figured it would be helpful.

    So I will respond to some specific comments below in order to clear up any confusion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Hocker View Post
    I guess I just don't understand the purpose behind it. Like why would you even have copies that weren't offered for sale?
    This is a good question Dan, and I appreciate you bringing it up. The main reason for the 1-185 for sale, and the 15 red numbers which are not for sale had to do with the fact that we had a specific number of signed copied, and some of those had to be assigned to people involved in the project. There were contractual copies, as well as those allocated to folks who were very closely involved such as the printer, designer, etc. This is not unusual, and essentially, the red numbers are like "PC" copies.

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffingoff View Post
    Oh, I see. In Suntup's case, the red numbered edition go to the subscribers, I believe. So those numbers are lifetime numbers and they are never open to sales. I think that's what it means.
    So I supposed I answered this one in my reply above, but no these were not for subscribers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy View Post
    My question is though, did anyone that got one of the proofs look at it? Is the error in the proof or would that even matter once it goes from proof to print?
    Hi Tommy! Feels like we're sitting at a different bar than usual having a chat. So the proof does not have the folding error. Primarily because it was produced by a different printer/binder. The full text of the book was golden. We had 5 proof readers and 14 rounds of revisions. So the proof was printed correctly from the text file, and so were the letterpress pages. The problem occured when the bookbinder responsible for folding the sheets into signatures for the numbered edition, mistakenly folded one half of a signature backwards. Naughty binder! I could have sworn my instructions were to fold everything the right way! Ah, but such is the nature of life right? Things like this happen sometimes. We roll with the punches, learn by it, and keep moving forward.

    Well, I hope I have been able to clear up at least some of the questions. I may have missed one here or there, but I'm happy to respond when I can. I may also pop my head in every so often, but please know if you don't hear from me regularly, it's not because I don't love you all, because I do, but it's because I have Misery to ship, and I have some amazing books to publish for you!

    THANK YOU again for your incredible support!

    Paul Suntup
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    Last edited by Paul Suntup; 08-30-2018 at 09:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmaduke Grigsby View Post
    I have the pens for the next Signed/limited Edition.

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    Exactly what I was thinking regarding the color issue LOL! A collector's worse nightmare, that pen is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Suntup View Post
    Well, hello everyone! I'm a 'newbie' here, what with only 1 post! I feel awfully bashful. Well, not really, but I must say it does feel good posting on a new forum for the first time. I am more active over at the DT forum. First off, a big THANK YOU to everyone for the support you have shown to the signed edition of Misery, and to my press. Both here, and on other social medial platforms. When I started on this journey, I never anticipated the level of support and enthusiasm that I have received. I truly appreciate it, and I thank you for it.

    As I was reading over some of the posts here, I thought it might be a good idea to clarify some misconceptions, as I figured it would be helpful.

    So I will respond to some specific comments below in order to clear up any confusion.



    This is a good question Dan, and I appreciate you bringing it up. The main reason for the 1-185 for sale, and the 15 red numbers which are not for sale had to do with the fact that we had a specific number of signed copied, and some of those had to be assigned to people involved in the project. There were contractual copies, as well as those allocated to folks who were very closely involved such as the printer, designer, etc. This is not unusual, and essentially, the red numbers are like "PC" copies.



    So I supposed I answered this one in my reply above, but no these were not for subscribers.



    Hi Tommy! Feels like we're sitting at a different bar than usual having a chat. So the proof does not have the folding error. Primarily because it was produced by a different printer/binder. The full text of the book was golden. We had 5 proof readers and 14 rounds of revisions. So the proof was printed correctly from the text file, and so were the letterpress pages. The problem occured when the bookbinder responsible for folding the sheets into signatures for the numbered edition, mistakenly folded one half of a signature backwards. Naughty binder! I could have sworn my instructions were to fold everything the right way! Ah, but such is the nature of life right? Things like this happen sometimes. We roll with the punches, learn by it, and keep moving forward.

    Well, I hope I have been able to clear up at least some of the questions. I may have missed one here or there, but I'm happy to respond when I can. I may also pop my head in every so often, but please know if you don't hear from me regularly, it's not because I don't love you all, because I do, but it's because I have Misery to ship, and I have some amazing books to publish for you!

    THANK YOU again for your incredible support!

    Paul Suntup
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    Hi Paul. Welcome to our board. I get what you're saying, I guess I just don't understand that if it's not going to be a traditional "PC" copy the need to distinguish those copies from the regular copies. Not a criticism or anything like that, just a different perspective really. But then again as someone who isn't really a collector my perspective is almost always about streamlining the process. For me, the more complicated we make a project the more room for things to get screwed up there are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Suntup View Post
    Well, hello everyone! I'm a 'newbie' here, what with only 1 post! I feel awfully bashful. Well, not really, but I must say it does feel good posting on a new forum for the first time. I am more active over at the DT forum. First off, a big THANK YOU to everyone for the support you have shown to the signed edition of Misery, and to my press. Both here, and on other social medial platforms. When I started on this journey, I never anticipated the level of support and enthusiasm that I have received. I truly appreciate it, and I thank you for it.

    As I was reading over some of the posts here, I thought it might be a good idea to clarify some misconceptions, as I figured it would be helpful.

    So I will respond to some specific comments below in order to clear up any confusion.



    This is a good question Dan, and I appreciate you bringing it up. The main reason for the 1-185 for sale, and the 15 red numbers which are not for sale had to do with the fact that we had a specific number of signed copied, and some of those had to be assigned to people involved in the project. There were contractual copies, as well as those allocated to folks who were very closely involved such as the printer, designer, etc. This is not unusual, and essentially, the red numbers are like "PC" copies.



    So I supposed I answered this one in my reply above, but no these were not for subscribers.



    Hi Tommy! Feels like we're sitting at a different bar than usual having a chat. So the proof does not have the folding error. Primarily because it was produced by a different printer/binder. The full text of the book was golden. We had 5 proof readers and 14 rounds of revisions. So the proof was printed correctly from the text file, and so were the letterpress pages. The problem occured when the bookbinder responsible for folding the sheets into signatures for the numbered edition, mistakenly folded one half of a signature backwards. Naughty binder! I could have sworn my instructions were to fold everything the right way! Ah, but such is the nature of life right? Things like this happen sometimes. We roll with the punches, learn by it, and keep moving forward.

    Well, I hope I have been able to clear up at least some of the questions. I may have missed one here or there, but I'm happy to respond when I can. I may also pop my head in every so often, but please know if you don't hear from me regularly, it's not because I don't love you all, because I do, but it's because I have Misery to ship, and I have some amazing books to publish for you!

    THANK YOU again for your incredible support!

    Paul Suntup
    Suntup Editions
    Paul, welcome to this little corner of the web. The perspective of the publisher is always appreciated. You have produced a fantastic edition of Misery and I look forward to seeing what else you come up with!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    Paul, welcome to this little corner of the web. The perspective of the publisher is always appreciated. You have produced a fantastic edition of Misery and I look forward to seeing what else you come up with!
    Yes Paul, what he said. This place isn't as noisy as that roadhouse up the street and there are far fewer knock-down drag-outs thanks to our cooler, Dan. But we do love our beer here. And good company. So happy you stopped by.

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