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    Leaving books with or without slipcases in the publishers shrink-wrap. Do or Don't??

    I apologize if this has already been addressed elsewhere but my brief search of the forum was fruitless. Looking to get opinions from the masses on this subject, horror stories, unpleasant surprises, etc. Thanks subie09lega for bringing this matter to my attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian861 View Post
    I apologize if this has already been addressed elsewhere but my brief search of the forum was fruitless. Looking to get opinions from the masses on this subject, horror stories, unpleasant surprises, etc. Thanks subie09lega for bringing this matter to my attention.
    Personally I wouldn't recommend it. I have heard of moisture / condensation being trapped inside the shrink wrap. I haven't experienced this first hand, however we did receive the last copies of probably a 20 - 30 year old gift edition awhile ago that where stored in their shrink wrap and probably 30% of them had some mildew on them, which took some effort to clean off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Hocker View Post
    Personally I wouldn't recommend it. I have heard of moisture / condensation being trapped inside the shrink wrap. I haven't experienced this first hand, however we did receive the last copies of probably a 20 - 30 year old gift edition awhile ago that where stored in their shrink wrap and probably 30% of them had some mildew on them, which took some effort to clean off.
    Thanks Dan. Sounds like maybe slipcasing/traycasing might be the better options. And of course the storage environment and exposure to the elements play a part as well.

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    This came up in another thread about a year ago. A major problem mentioned at that time is that shrink wrap can shrink over time, which can cause physical damage to your books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slayn666 View Post
    This came up in another thread about a year ago. A major problem mentioned at that time is that shrink wrap can shrink over time, which can cause physical damage to your books.
    Ok thanks Slayn (Sorry, have yet to learn everyone's "real" name). And guess what, another bubble mailer today!!!. I think it's time we gather those horses you spoke of yesterday. I'll post a picture later. Terrible.

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    I think the two main points I have heard are those mentioned above. Shrink Wrap by design shrinks. This applies pressure to the book and dust jacket and can cause issues. Sweating inside the shrink wrap can happen and if it does will cause damage to the book. Also shrink wrap will degrade over time and may stick to the contents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    I think the two main points I have heard are those mentioned above. Shrink Wrap by design shrinks. This applies pressure to the book and dust jacket and can cause issues. Sweating inside the shrink wrap can happen and if it does will cause damage to the book. Also shrink wrap will degrade over time and may stick to the contents.
    Thanks Martin.

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    Yeah, definitely take the wrap off.
    Do you cover your dust jackets, Brian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lincoln View Post
    Yeah, definitely take the wrap off.
    Do you cover your dust jackets, Brian?
    I have some that I have purchased that way Lincoln but no I haven't personally covered any. From what I've found to read on the subject, seems some say do, others say not. Subtopic here but what's your opinion or anyone else's for that matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian861 View Post
    I have some that I have purchased that way Lincoln but no I haven't personally covered any. From what I've found to read on the subject, seems some say do, others say not. Subtopic here but what's your opinion or anyone else's for that matter?
    I protect my books with Brodart Mylar covers. I am a collector but I am a reader first and I find the fingerprints and fraying I get on dust jackets without covers really bugs me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    I protect my books with Broadart Mylar covers. I am a collector but I am a reader first and I find the fingerprints and fraying I get on dust jackets without covers really bugs me.
    I could see where you'd need 'em then Martin. Me personally, I probably wouldn't need them because my primary focus is King and I get his trades via the book club for reading; aka my "daily drivers" .

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    This is what Robert over at Grant had to say on the matter, "I always suggest that people take the books out of shrink-wrap a) because then they can see all the art and design and b) the shrink-wrap plastic does give off fumes. Some Detroit in time. Many collectors believe that the books have more value if in shrink-wrap".

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    I protect with Brodart all books that are not traycased or slipcased. Slipcased is debatable, and I wonder if the spine might fade comparatively to the front and back over time even in low light conditions. But it's likely not always feasible to protect a slipcased book due to fit and the additional bulk of the plastic.

    Without slipcases or traycases I'd 100% recommend protecting with an archival cover. It's not only protection from time and light you're getting, but also enhanced durability in handling. When you've got a non-reading buddy over admiring your collection, hand him a Brodart protected book you love and a non-protected one and see which one makes you nervous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bugen View Post
    I protect with Brodart all books that are not traycased or slipcased. Slipcased is debatable, and I wonder if the spine might fade comparatively to the front and back over time even in low light conditions. But it's likely not always feasible to protect a slipcased book due to fit and the additional bulk of the plastic.

    Without slipcases or traycases I'd 100% recommend protecting with an archival cover. It's not only protection from time and light you're getting, but also enhanced durability in handling. When you've got a non-reading buddy over admiring your collection, hand him a Brodart protected book you love and a non-protected one and see which one makes you nervous.
    The phrase, "You can look but don't touch" comes to mind . I plan on slipcasing all my collectables for those not included with the purchase. Traycases would have to be a step above that I'd think. I've read of that issue as well with the Brodart not wanting to fit back into the slipcase. I currently don't own any traycased volumes so not sure if that would allow for a better fit with the Brodart or not. I'm sure someone here would know no doubt.

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    I do have a few slipcased books that are too tight a fit to add a Brodart cover. I actually must be extra careful removing them from the slipcase due to the tightness. The traycased books I have all have enough room to allow for covers.

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    Another point that I have seen in a forum at some point is that with the shrink-wrap left on it can be hard to tell if the book is damaged in any way. Maybe even missing the signature page.

    A book I received from another publisher (shrink-wrapped in a slipcase) looked fine as received. The slipcase was fine however there were marks on the back of the dust-jacket that were indented into the book. (I was luck enough to receive a replacement book).

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    Speaking of other publishers and slipcases, I've had some issues with SubPress books arriving with damaged dust jackets, even when the book is protected by the slipcase. That tells me that they are knowingly putting damaged dust jackets on their high-end books, because I'm not talking about a minor rub that no one will ever see, I'm talking about major creases and the like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slayn666 View Post
    Speaking of other publishers and slipcases, I've had some issues with Sub Press books arriving with damaged dust jackets, even when the book is protected by the slipcase. That tells me that they are knowingly putting damaged dust jackets on their high-end books, because I'm not talking about a minor rub that no one will ever see, I'm talking about major creases and the like.
    Just a little insight into how this stuff works. Assuming Sub Press does some things in a similar fashion to how we do them, they don't DJ the books themselves, that's done at the manufacturing facility. From that point one of three things (or a combination of them) is probably happening. One, the books aren't being inspected very closely and damaged DJ's slip through. This can happen pretty easily, especially if you're in a hurry. Two, someone is putting them in the slipcases in a fashion that damages the DJ. Three, the books are pre-numbered and the manufacturer is slipcasesing the books at the plant. In this last instance Sub Press would never even see the DJ. I seriously doubt anyone is doing it knowingly. More likely than not they may have some new help in there warehouse, and it's really easy for stuff like that to slip through, especially when working with new employees.
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    Really appreciate all the replies guys. All the info has been most helpful. Learned some key "do's and dont's" and things to look for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Hocker View Post
    Just a little insight into how this stuff works. Assuming Sub Press does some things in a similar fashion to how we do them, they don't DJ the books themselves, that's done at the manufacturing facility. From that point one of three things (or a combination of them) is probably happening. One, the books aren't being inspected very closely and damaged DJ's slip through. This can happen pretty easily, especially if you're in a hurry. Two, someone is putting them in the slipcases in a fashion that damages the DJ. Three, the books are pre-numbered and the manufacturer is slipcasesing the books at the plant. In this last instance Sub Press would never even see the DJ. I seriously doubt anyone is doing it knowingly. More likely than not they may have some new help in there warehouse, and it's really easy for stuff like that to slip through, especially when working with new employees.
    Thanks for the insights, Dan. Based on where the damage is located, I suspect the first thing you mentioned is the culprit. Luckily, Bill is a cool guy and is going to send me a replacement (though this introduces its own flavor of irritation...).

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