Strange Weather by Joe Hill

[Dan Hocker]

Do the only complaints about delays come from the forum, bother here and at TDT?

Not all, but the majority. Generally speaking the vast majority of our customers place a order and we never hear anything from them one way or another. Even on the different message boards there's typically only a handful of people who will verbalize a complaint about something.

[jeffingoff]

I have to disagree. If it could have been signed by all four, I personally, would much prefer to wait rather than have it "incomplete". Let's be honest, this is not likely the copy most customers will read. Likely, most have a trade copy that they have already ready or you can grab a cheap ebook copy. Obviously, everybody would prefer to have every book they order "now", but when it depends on people to sign things, it seems there can easily be time added to the wait. I would still rather wait if there is a chance of getting the signature.

No matter, it seems the universe has aligned to make this a retired discussion. Dan said the artist(s) made it to the end of their 1000 signature journey (hopefully intact and able to continue working) and the sheets should be fluttering to CD any day now. To be clear I would also prefer all the signatures promised. But my comment was in the full context of the situation. Having already waited 2 years and 10 1/2 months, I was simply saying that I'd rather have one less signature than a lot more wait. And I'd think that most customers would forgive CD if the books were published without the signature. It's not like they were rushed to publication without giving the process a chance.

[bsaenz24]

In this case, more people are pissed about the wait.
I think customers will be happier to have three signed volumes (containing four signatures! Including Hill's) and one unsigned volume if it means the wait is over and this one artist is no longer holding ~1000 customers hostage. I think we're all aware of the story and who's to blame and if customers cancel their orders over one missing signature from a stubborn artist, then I'm sure CD will have no problem selling those copies to other Hill fans. I seriously doubt this artist is more important than Joe Hill and he's found the time to sign. Really, at this point, that artist's signature is an insult. I don't even want it. Unless the signature sheet comes with an apology from the artist. I'd rather have a blank line.

I have to disagree. If it could have been signed by all four, I personally, would much prefer to wait rather than have it "incomplete". Let's be honest, this is not likely the copy most customers will read. Likely, most have a trade copy that they have already ready or you can grab a cheap ebook copy. Obviously, everybody would prefer to have every book they order "now", but when it depends on people to sign things, it seems there can easily be time added to the wait. I would still rather wait if there is a chance of getting the signature.

[Brian861]

You know I've written a response to you about 4 times now and just can't word it in a way that I like. Ultimately I'll just say that from experience I think you're wrong about what more people would want. Brian and I know our customer base pretty well and the message boards tend to represent a vocal minority.

As for the blame it's definitely not all on this artist either. For example back in May I was still waiting on 2 sig sheets and May isn't all that long ago. So the problem has been sig sheets across the board.

Do the only complaints about delays come from the forum, bother here and at TDT?

[MikeStegs]

I wasn’t around here when this edition came out for sale. I would definitely be interested in picking up a copy of the signed edition if any extra copies happen to be available at the time of shipment. As far as waiting for the finished product, I agree that as long as everyone intends to do what was promised, I don’t mind waiting even if there are delays. Trust me, I know things can happen in life that can throw things in complete disarray for months (and years). And my experience is that CD has been very forthcoming and honest about delays and that makes me feel more comfortable when situations like this happen. So I’d be willing to wait and again hopefully will get that chance to get a copy.

[jeffingoff]

To add to this, Brian actually just told me the artist finished signing the sheets today and will be sending them back as soon as they can. It's still a long road to publication from there, especially given the extraordinarily long turnaround times on slipcases right now but things are moving forward again.

great news

[jeffingoff]

You know I've written a response to you about 4 times now and just can't word it in a way that I like. Ultimately I'll just say that from experience I think you're wrong about what more people would want. Brian and I know our customer base pretty well and the message boards tend to represent a vocal minority.

As for the blame it's definitely not all on this artist either. For example back in May I was still waiting on 2 sig sheets and May isn't all that long ago. So the problem has been sig sheets across the board.

Ok. Noted and filed. I was just looking back at all the signed books I've paid for and received since September 19th 2017 and couldn't imagine how one book could be so cursed and thought maybe it would be great to finally have it and read it with or without the signature. If it was Joe's signature that was missing, then yeah I'd vote to wait. But I'm just one customer.

[Dan Hocker]

To add to this, Brian actually just told me the artist finished signing the sheets today and will be sending them back as soon as they can. It's still a long road to publication from there, especially given the extraordinarily long turnaround times on slipcases right now but things are moving forward again.

[fanatic]

You know I've written a response to you about 4 times now and just can't word it in a way that I like. Ultimately I'll just say that from experience I think you're wrong about what more people would want. Brian and I know our customer base pretty well and the message boards tend to represent a vocal minority.

As for the blame it's definitely not all on this artist either. For example back in May I was still waiting on 2 sig sheets and May isn't all that long ago. So the problem has been sig sheets across the board.

I'm a inpatient person but I agree with Dan. As long as there is a chance that all four volumes can be signed I will wait. Not happy with the artist but CD can't be blamed.

[Dan Hocker]

You know I've written a response to you about 4 times now and just can't word it in a way that I like. Ultimately I'll just say that from experience I think you're wrong about what more people would want. Brian and I know our customer base pretty well and the message boards tend to represent a vocal minority.

As for the blame it's definitely not all on this artist either. For example back in May I was still waiting on 2 sig sheets and May isn't all that long ago. So the problem has been sig sheets across the board.

[RonClinton]

In this case, more people are pissed about the wait.
I think customers will be happier to have three signed volumes (containing four signatures! Including Hill's) and one unsigned volume if it means the wait is over and this one artist is no longer holding ~1000 customers hostage. I think we're all aware of the story and who's to blame and if customers cancel their orders over one missing signature from a stubborn artist, then I'm sure CD will have no problem selling those copies to other Hill fans. I seriously doubt this artist is more important than Joe Hill and he's found the time to sign. Really, at this point, that artist's signature is an insult. I don't even want it. Unless the signature sheet comes with an apology from the artist. I'd rather have a blank line.

This.

[jeffingoff]

It's largely a catch 22. If you wait people are mad, if you release it without the promised signature people are mad. Ultimately we would prefer to provide the product as it was originally promised, and with the way this set is laid out with 4 different books, it really wouldn't make much sense to have one of the books not have a signature sheet in them.

In this case, more people are pissed about the wait.
I think customers will be happier to have three signed volumes (containing four signatures! Including Hill's) and one unsigned volume if it means the wait is over and this one artist is no longer holding ~1000 customers hostage. I think we're all aware of the story and who's to blame and if customers cancel their orders over one missing signature from a stubborn artist, then I'm sure CD will have no problem selling those copies to other Hill fans. I seriously doubt this artist is more important than Joe Hill and he's found the time to sign. Really, at this point, that artist's signature is an insult. I don't even want it. Unless the signature sheet comes with an apology from the artist. I'd rather have a blank line.

[Dan Hocker]

If I haven't done something in 14 months (or longer, if my memory serves correctly) that needs doing, I think it's pretty clear I have absolutely no intention of doing it, for whatever reason. I would suggest again that CD move on with what they have -- and with what it sure seems to me they're going to get -- and release the book without that artist's signature. But I suggested this before in this (?) thread and most disagreed that that was the correct route, so looks like we'll continue to wait, moving into a fourth year in September of this year (pre-ordered 9/25/2017). It's really unfortunate when things like that happen, whether they're in CD's control or not, because -- at least for me -- the anticipation for a release turns progressively into annoyance as time wears on and on, and rather than excitement upon delivery the prevailing emotion is simply relief.

It's largely a catch 22. If you wait people are mad, if you release it without the promised signature people are mad. Ultimately we would prefer to provide the product as it was originally promised, and with the way this set is laid out with 4 different books, it really wouldn't make much sense to have one of the books not have a signature sheet in them.

[RonClinton]

This one is still being held up by one of the artists who hasn't signed the signature sheets yet. According to Brian, he's had them for 14 months and still nothing.

Pretty ridiculous and very unprofessional.

If I haven't done something in 14 months (or longer, if my memory serves correctly) that needs doing, I think it's pretty clear I have absolutely no intention of doing it, for whatever reason. I would suggest again that CD move on with what they have -- and with what it sure seems to me they're going to get -- and release the book without that artist's signature. But I suggested this before in this (?) thread and most disagreed that that was the correct route, so looks like we'll continue to wait, moving into a fourth year in September of this year (pre-ordered 9/25/2017). It's really unfortunate when things like that happen, whether they're in CD's control or not, because -- at least for me -- the anticipation for a release turns progressively into annoyance as time wears on and on, and rather than excitement upon delivery the prevailing emotion is simply relief.

[Splync]

To be fair the single artist wasn't the only hold up, just the most recent one. Sig sheets were also held up in Chille for 6 months due to national unrest, and were also held up waiting for an opening in Joe's schedule for awhile too. This is just the current delay.

So you're saying we should bring the Rain??