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T-Dogz_AK47
01-04-2014, 09:10 PM
Hi everyone,

I heard rumours that Stephen King is not very keen on having S/L editions of his work published, and particularly disliked the deluxe special edition of Salem's Lot published by Centipede Press. :eek:

I have searched the internet to find out if these rumours are true, but cannot find anything to support or deny this. :(

Does anyone out there know if Stephen King really disliked the Centipede Press edition of Salems' Lot, and if so, is it known if he gave specific reasons when voicing his displeasure? :confused:

Any help regarding this would be greatly appreciated.

brionen
01-04-2014, 11:50 PM
I remember an interview with King where he referenced the Centipede Salem's Lot being WAY over-the-top in materials and price. He made a joke about waiting for someone to publish a limited made out of leather from babies.

Unfortunately, I can't remember where the interview was from. It seems like it took place either around the time he released UR exclusively on Kindle, or when Lisey's Story came out.

Hopefully that gives you a fresh direction for your internet searching.

Dave1442397
01-05-2014, 03:10 AM
Jerad at Centipede Press produces beautiful books. I want to buy books by authors I've never heard of just because he makes them look so good.

If you want to see pricier stuff, check out the Charnel House editions of Dean Koontz's books. I think they usually run $1500 for a Lettered Edition.

mhatchett
01-05-2014, 03:51 AM
Dave
I think you're 100% right. I think centipede Press does a fantastic job. I also think a lot of SK stuff is overpriced. Just my opinion, so I rarely buy it. But I'm old so I bought the stuff I wanted when it first came out. We all know collecting can be princely.
Mike

T-Dogz_AK47
01-05-2014, 04:19 PM
I remember an interview with King where he referenced the Centipede Salem's Lot being WAY over-the-top in materials and price. He made a joke about waiting for someone to publish a limited made out of leather from babies.

Unfortunately, I can't remember where the interview was from. It seems like it took place either around the time he released UR exclusively on Kindle, or when Lisey's Story came out.

Hopefully that gives you a fresh direction for your internet searching.

Thanks for this Brionen! I have managed to conduct a more focussed search from the information you gave me and have found a telephone interview with Stephen King that took place in January 2007 regarding his thoughts on limited editions. :)

Below is an excerpt from that interview:

Lilja: Speaking of publishing, it seems less and less of your books have been released in limited editions now. Is that something you have done deliberately?

Stephen King: They are releasing Secretary of Dreams now and Frank Darabont is really high on the idea of doing a limited edition of The Mist. I don’t like them, I don’t like them. I think they are books for rich people and they’re elitist and the whole idea of limiteds… there’s something wrong with it, you know. The idea that people want a book that they can kind of drool over or masturbate on, I don’t know what it is they want with these things but it’s like they get this book and it’s this beautiful thing and they go like, “Don’t touch it, don’t… oh God it’s worth a thousand dollars, he signed it” and all this and my idea of a book that I like is when someone comes up to me at an autographing and you got this old beat-to-shit copy of The Stand and they say, “I’m sorry it looks this way” and I go like, “I’m not”. It means a lot of people have read it and enjoyed it.

Lilja: But often they look very good, the limiteds.

Stephen King: Well, they do but… on the other hand my mother used to say, “Handsome is as handsome does”.

Lilja: That’s true…

Stephen King: A thing is better looking when it’s useful and… you know something you just put up on the shelf to just look at it. Isn’t that weird?

I mean…the worst one in a way and I don’t…this guy is gonna read this and be so bummed. This guy Jared Walters did Salem’s Lot in a limited. He basically fucking wore me down because he would come back every six months or so and say, “Please, please, please, please” and I’m very vulnerable to that if people, I mean, if he’d come to me and said that he wanted to do a Dollar Baby I would say, “Yes” immediately but this guy wants to do this big huge book with this, I don’t know, incredible binding done in some endangered species or something and finally the books come out and people like Frank Darabont and other collectors just loved that book and he wants to do The Shining next and so far I’ve just told him, “No”. Because it’d be another book like Salem’s Lot. It’ll weigh twenty pounds, and people will put it on their shelf and look at it and they won’t actually read it.


The transcript of the full interview is published on the Lilja's Library website in 3 parts:

http://www.liljas-library.com/showinterview.php?id=36

I think Stephen King's comments are a bit confusing, because if he is taking a swing at Jared at Centipede Press for releasing an elaborate and relatively expensive edition of Salem's Lot, which was originally priced at $900 for the roman-numeraled deluxe edition back in 2005; how do publishers like CD and Sub Press now manage to get King to authorize super deluxe lettered editions that retail at $2,500 each? :confused: :confused:

Martin
01-05-2014, 06:37 PM
It is probably save to say Mr. King's views on Limited editions has changed over the years.

subie09lega
01-05-2014, 09:52 PM
Limiteds have certainly evolved over the years from the days of Firestarter.

Theli
01-06-2014, 02:27 AM
Stephen King: The idea that people want a book that they can kind of drool over or masturbate on,

Oh, Mr. King you know me too well. Seriously though, wasn't Salem's lot one of his firt limited editions other than Firestarter and his collaborations with Bernie Wrightson? Maybe he was just uncomfortable with the idea at the time. The books that are limited are also wide spread novels that anyone can pick up in a trade format, it doesn't really prevent anyone from getting his books. I mean it's sort of is an exclusive club, maybe for snobs or elitist (I don't think of myself that way, but what do I know?), but I sure as hell am not rich. I just choose to spend my extra money on something I like, just like anybody else. I appreciate the different editions too, from the gift, limited and lettered, it's sort of open to a wider range of audience. That may have been a bigger probelm with the CP Salem's Lot it had a really smaller run. Was it 300 unsigned and 100 signed?

srboone
01-06-2014, 04:00 AM
...how do publishers like CD and Sub Press now manage to get King to authorize super deluxe lettered editions that retail at $2,500 each? :confused: :confused:

Well, CD's editions are readable. I read my gift edition of It. Of course, I 'm not going to read my S/L...

subie09lega
01-06-2014, 04:39 AM
....That may have been a bigger probelm with the CP Salem's Lot it had a really smaller run. Was it 300 unsigned and 100 signed?

From Tomas' site:
Deluxe Copies: 25
Signed and Numbered Copies: 380
Unsigned/Gift edition: 600
Quick reference:
- 600 unsigned copies, not numbered
- 300 limited edition copies numbered 1-300 in black
- 80 limited edition copies numbered 1-80 in red
- 15 deluxe leather copies numbered I-XV in black
- 10 deluxe leather copies numbered I-X in red
http://skcollector.com/limited/salemslot.html

Theli
01-06-2014, 05:42 AM
That's actually not that bad for a print run. Did the 600 unsigned really not feature the photos or slipcase? I've been trying to hunt one down, and now I'm thinking: What the hell is the point?

T-Dogz_AK47
01-06-2014, 06:02 AM
That's actually not that bad for a print run. Did the 600 unsigned really not feature the photos or slipcase? I've been trying to hunt one down, and now I'm thinking: What the hell is the point?

It is true that the 600 unsigned copies of Salem's Lot do not feature any interior photographs or the slipcase. It is essentially a standard trade edition of the book, albeit oversized and overpriced.

The following excerpt taken from Lilja's Library website announced the 600 unsigned copies of Salem's Lot back in 2004:

Stephen King has given Centipede Press permission to do another 600 UNSIGNED copies of 'SALEM'S LOT, bound in cloth.

The size of the book is still 9 x 13, and includes all the text from the limited edition, including the deleted scenes. There will not be any interior photographs.

This edition will ship in early December. The price is $95 + $15 shipping. We are accepting ONLY checks and money orders at this time, no credit cards or PayPal payments. If you live overseas, please contact us before ordering so that we can determine a shipping and payment method. Colorado residents will need to add $3.99 for state sales tax.

http://www.liljas-library.com/2004/index2.php

Theli
01-06-2014, 08:31 AM
I see, well I didn't realize there were "deleted scenes" either. Anyone know if these extras are available in any other printing?

Dave1442397
01-06-2014, 11:38 AM
I see, well I didn't realize there were "deleted scenes" either. Anyone know if these extras are available in any other printing?

Yes, you can get them in some of the mass market editions, but I couldn't tell you which ones offhand.

The CP edition of 600 copies does come with a slipcase - just not the exotic leather covered one. I also got a complete set of photos with my copy, courtesy of Betts Books. It's a massive book, and I'd love to pick up one of the signed editions one day.

subie09lega
01-06-2014, 02:40 PM
I believe the deleted material was included in the illustrated edition which also has the same illustrations as the limited editions.
http://www.stephenking.com/library/novel/_salem_s_lot_illustrated_edition.html
I don't feel the illustrations add much to it. I have a set of them with my copy and my thought was just 'meh'. I supposed it's subjective based on your taste in artwork.
I wouldn't call the 600 copy edition a trade edition, rather a gift edition as Tomas indicated on his site. True, it's not signed and didn't come with a slipcase but it is a beautiful book; Jerad at CP does an excellent job.
Overpriced? I guess that it subjective, too, just like any purchase and perceived value.

jhanic
01-06-2014, 06:50 PM
Oh, Mr. King you know me too well. Seriously though, wasn't Salem's lot one of his firt limited editions other than Firestarter and his collaborations with Bernie Wrightson?

King had limited editions of many books before the Centipede Salem's Lot: Cujo, Danse Macabre, Gunslinger and Christine all came before the limited Cycle of the Werewolf with Wrightson.

John

Theli
01-06-2014, 08:37 PM
King had limited editions of many books before the Centipede Salem's Lot: Cujo, Danse Macabre, Gunslinger and Christine all came before the limited Cycle of the Werewolf with Wrightson.

John
Interesting I didn't know about any of those. I wonder what gave him the change of heart toward limited releases.

subie09lega
01-06-2014, 08:42 PM
Interesting I didn't know about any of those. I wonder what gave him the change of heart toward limited releases.

Look at Tomas' lists for all the limiteds:
http://skcollector.com/us_limiteds.html
http://skcollector.com/uk_limiteds.html

T-Dogz_AK47
01-06-2014, 09:05 PM
Look at Tomas' lists for all the limiteds:
http://skcollector.com/us_limiteds.html
http://skcollector.com/uk_limiteds.html

I have read some bad press on other forums about the limited edition of The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon and having just seen the entry for it on The Collector website, I can see why.

The publisher Simon & Schuster, originally offered the book at $500 but then kept increasing the price until it finally reached a whopping $1,000 for a 14 page book. :eek:

http://skcollector.com/limited/tomgordon.html

I would have thought Stephen King would have had more of an issue with this limited edition, instead of attacking Jerad at Centipede Press. :confused:

Theli
01-06-2014, 09:30 PM
Yeah that's pretty low. Maybe it's that whole attitude in general that pisses of King. I'm still a little peeved about the CP edition of Salem's Lot. I see absolutely no reason to buy the "gift edition". Cheaper cloth binding, cheaper paper, no photos, no sig, and no slipcase (apparently 200 were made independently of CP). I'll track down the trade copy with the photos and call it a day. Hopefully someone releases a new Salem's Lot, maybe for a 40th anniversary, cause I would still love a premium copy, but I can't afford $600+ for a book, and won't pay $200+ plus for an oversized hard cover.

T-Dogz_AK47
01-06-2014, 09:40 PM
Yeah that's pretty low. Maybe it's that whole attitude in general that pisses of King. I'm still a little peeved about the CP edition of Salem's Lot. I see absolutely no reason to buy the "gift edition". Cheaper cloth binding, cheaper paper, no photos, no sig, and no slipcase (apparently 200 were made independently of CP). I'll track down the trade copy with the photos and call it a day. Hopefully someone releases a new Salem's Lot, maybe for a 40th anniversary, cause I would still love a premium copy, but I can't afford $600+ for a book, and won't pay $200+ plus for an oversized hard cover.

I totally agree with you there! recently an unsigned, sans slipcase, sans artwork copy of Salem's Lot sold on Ebay for $292.87 + $29.32 postage. :eek:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SALEMS-LOT-by-Stephen-King-Centipede-Press-Limited-Edition-OOP-/261272840028?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item3cd513275c

You could buy a lettered edition for that kind of money, it's obscene! :mad:

T-Dogz_AK47
01-06-2014, 09:51 PM
Barnes and Noble are selling copies of the Illustrated Edition of Salem's Lot, which includes all of the deleted material that was added to the Centipede Press Edition. You can get your hands on a 'Like New' copy for $39.99 through their marketplace sellers. :D :cool:

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/salems-lot-illustrated-edition-stephen-king/1007562080?ean=9780385516488

14214

Theli
01-06-2014, 10:09 PM
Thanks T-Dogz! Was looking at copies an abebooks and that's actually cheaper than any of their new copies.

T-Dogz_AK47
01-06-2014, 10:16 PM
Thanks T-Dogz! Was looking at copies an abebooks and that's actually cheaper than any of their new copies.

Always glad to help, Theli! :)

subie09lega
01-06-2014, 11:13 PM
I totally agree with you there! recently an unsigned, sans slipcase, sans artwork copy of Salem's Lot sold on Ebay for $292.87 + $29.32 postage. :eek:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SALEMS-LOT-by-Stephen-King-Centipede-Press-Limited-Edition-OOP-/261272840028?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item3cd513275c
You could buy a lettered edition for that kind of money, it's obscene! :mad:

That listing did include The Collector's traycase, so it's a 1/200 edition.

T-Dogz_AK47
01-07-2014, 06:22 AM
That listing did include The Collector's traycase, so it's a 1/200 edition.

My bad, I didn't see that first time round. :o

I think it's still too much money to pay for that edition though. Don't get me wrong, I think having a truly oversized book (9 x 13) would be awesome and I am pretty sure that Jared did a great job producing it. I just think the price of books on the secondary market can be obscene at times. Centipede Press's original list price for this book was $95 (but without a slipcase or traycase and without the interior photographs). Most copies now found on Ebay are more than $300. AbeBooks are even worse, as copies on that website get listed nearer $500.

I think if this edition came with either a traycase or slipcase as standard and included all the interior photographs, then Centipede Press would be more than justified in charging the original $95 (or even slightly more) - but without, it does seem a bit steep.

I will say however, Centipede Press were nowhere near as obscene with their pricing as Simon & Schuster were with their edition of The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon. $1,000 for a 14 page book just smacks of corporate greed!

Theli
01-07-2014, 07:01 AM
I got nothing against CP. Love their books. It's just the one book and $95 isn't that bad , if it's a good binding. I just don't see the point of excluding the photos. That's what made the edition special.

subie09lega
01-07-2014, 02:02 PM
I agree that the secondary market can be outrageous but then I think that if I want cheap limiteds I should just collect books that no one wants to read and collect.

T-Dogz_AK47
01-07-2014, 06:48 PM
I agree that the secondary market can be outrageous but then I think that if I want cheap limiteds I should just collect books that no one wants to read and collect.

Very true. I just wish I could get my hands on some these books before they hit the secondary market. I would have dropped the $900 original list price for the Centipede Press roman-numeraled edition of Salems' Lot if given the opportunity. It's priced at $12,500 on AbeBooks now. :(

bsaenz24
01-07-2014, 07:11 PM
The Centipede Press signed limited is probably my least favorite signed King that I have. It's such a dust collector!! Yikes!

Theli
01-07-2014, 07:12 PM
I agree that the secondary market can be outrageous but then I think that if I want cheap limiteds I should just collect books that no one wants to read and collect.

I don't mind the price when I feel I am getting what I paid for.

T-Dogz_AK47
01-07-2014, 08:06 PM
The Centipede Press signed limited is probably my least favorite signed King that I have. It's such a dust collector!! Yikes!

Awesome, Brad! I didn't realise you have a signed copy of this book. What number do you have? :D :cool:

bsaenz24
01-07-2014, 08:21 PM
I'll have to check at home. I am going to guess #24 because I often ask for that one

bsaenz24
01-07-2014, 08:23 PM
I often think of selling it because of the dust issue, but my wife always tells me that I will regret giving it up. If it wasn't "Salem's Lot", I probably would sell it.

I do still have the signed/limited of Wizard Glass with the tiny flaw on the corner of the sig page up for sale once I figure out what it's worth. W&G is going.

T-Dogz_AK47
01-07-2014, 08:32 PM
I often think of selling it because of the dust issue, but my wife always tells me that I will regret giving it up. If it wasn't "Salem's Lot", I probably would sell it.

I do still have the signed/limited of Wizard Glass with the tiny flaw on the corner of the sig page up for sale once I figure out what it's worth. W&G is going.

You probably would regret selling it Brad, it is already worth an absolute fortune but it will be worth even more in years to come. :)

You're not a fan of Wizard and Glass either then?

bsaenz24
01-07-2014, 09:06 PM
You probably would regret selling it Brad, it is already worth an absolute fortune but it will be worth even more in years to come. :)

You're not a fan of Wizard and Glass either then?

No, I actually love W&G. I have the complete set of Grant editions from Gunslinger (2nd printing) through the later artist editions. Originally, I had the limiteds of 4-7, but as W&G had the flaw, I did not try to sell it. It's a very small area in tghe inner corner of the sig page that has a weird defect in the paper, it feels rougher and thinner than the rest of the page. I didn't want to try to sell it as new/new because while it is new, it had that minor flaw. I do want to sell it though.

jhanic
01-07-2014, 09:27 PM
The Centipede Press signed limited is probably my least favorite signed King that I have. It's such a dust collector!! Yikes!

I agree. That's one of the reasons I've left my copy (#273) in the original shipping box. When and if I ever get a book case with a glass door, I'll move it there.

John

bsaenz24
01-07-2014, 09:52 PM
I agree. That's one of the reasons I've left my copy (#273) in the original shipping box. When and if I ever get a book case with a glass door, I'll move it there.

John

Smart movie. It cleans off fine, but it's just annoying.

TerryE
01-08-2014, 04:16 PM
I love my s/l copy of CP The Shining. I'm so happy I was able to get it during the original sale. It's one of the favorite books I own, even if it is a dust collector.

What I don't get about King's statements and attitude is that if he doesn't like the Limiteds, he doesn't have to approve them or sign them. He may not do the design, but he has the ultimate say on if they exist or not. Maybe he was just complaining about the collector mentality more than the books themselves.

bsaenz24
01-08-2014, 04:19 PM
I love my s/l copy of CP The Shining. I'm so happy I was able to get it during the original sale. It's one of the favorite books I own, even if it is a dust collector.

What I don't get about King's statements and attitude is that if he doesn't like the Limiteds, he doesn't have to approve them or sign them. He may not do the design, but he has the ultimate say on if they exist or not. Maybe he was just complaining about the collector mentality more than the books themselves.

Shining?? You mean Salem's Lot?

TerryE
01-08-2014, 04:21 PM
Yes I mean 'Salem's Lot. Doh!

subie09lega
01-08-2014, 05:07 PM
...What I don't get about King's statements and attitude is that if he doesn't like the Limiteds, he doesn't have to approve them or sign them. He may not do the design, but he has the ultimate say on if they exist or not. Maybe he was just complaining about the collector mentality more than the books themselves.

Reading his comments made me want to open up all my collectibles and read through them just so I could say they aren't just sitting around.

rusty23
01-08-2014, 05:13 PM
Reading his comments made me want to open up all my collectibles and read through them just so I could say they aren't just sitting around.

Do you actually read them? Seems like most people do not. I do, although very carefully.

subie09lega
01-08-2014, 05:24 PM
I don't see a problem with actually using them if properly cared for. I would rather use them and get a little wear than leave them sealed in a box where they can't be fully enjoyed. I liked how King said he liked to see worn copies because it shows they've been enjoyed. A painting on a wall is easy to appreciate because it's all out there to see. A book that is never opened is only showing a fraction of the effort that is put into its contents - the paper, the artwork, even the smell (yes, we're back to the smell :)). I do like to buy sealed copies but I also feel like the person that's had it before me hasn't been able to enjoy them for the work of art that it is.
That said, everyone collects in their own way.

T-Dogz_AK47
01-08-2014, 06:58 PM
I read all my limiteds, albeit very carefully. I don't recall ever beating my meat over them though... :p

I do agree with Stephen King that all books should be read, there is no point having them sitting on a shelf as a mere trophy. I will never spend so much on a book that I dare not read it as that would be just a waste of money.

rusty23
01-08-2014, 07:59 PM
Agreed. You really see the quality of the book when you read it page by page. Plus, it's a good workout since some of these S/Ls are heavy!

T-Dogz_AK47
01-08-2014, 08:11 PM
Agreed. You really see the quality of the book when you read it page by page. Plus, it's a good workout since some of these S/Ls are heavy!

I would definitely love to have a weight lifting workout with a S/L Centipede Press edition of Salem's Lot. ;) :p

T-Dogz_AK47
01-08-2014, 09:44 PM
Shining?? You mean Salem's Lot?

It could well have been The Shining too, given different circumstances. Check out the following photos of the prospectus that Jared at Centipede Press sent Stephen King. If authorisation had been granted, Jared would have published The Shining in the same manner as Salem's Lot.

Traycase Front:

14220

T-Dogz_AK47
01-08-2014, 09:44 PM
Shining?? You mean Salem's Lot?

It could well have been The Shining too, given different circumstances. Check out the following photos of the prospectus that Jared at Centipede Press sent Stephen King. If authorisation had been granted, Jared would have published The Shining in the same manner as Salem's Lot.

Traycase Front:

14220

T-Dogz_AK47
01-08-2014, 09:46 PM
Inside Title Page:

14221

T-Dogz_AK47
01-08-2014, 09:48 PM
Lion Fold-out Artwork:

14222

Theli
01-08-2014, 11:16 PM
That is pretty damn cool. I'll be happy when my sub. press copy arrives though!

T-Dogz_AK47
01-09-2014, 12:10 PM
That is pretty damn cool. I'll be happy when my sub. press copy arrives though!

It will certainly be interesting to see how the Sub Press edition compares to the prospectus that Centipede Press produced for it. :)

jhanic
01-09-2014, 03:13 PM
I seriously doubt Subterranean Press's edition will even compare with that prototype.

John

subie09lega
01-09-2014, 05:00 PM
I agree, that prototype of The Shining is beautiful but I, personally, like the understated treatment. I like the Sub design (especially Chong's artwork) but Jerad's is the cat's meow. :D

T-Dogz_AK47
01-09-2014, 06:55 PM
I seriously doubt Subterranean Press's edition will even compare with that prototype.

John

I have to agree with this. Even though the Sub Press edition will look really good, I don't think it will be as stunning as Jared's prospectus. From looking at those photos, I am so disappointed that Stephen King would not authorise Centipede Press to publish The Shining. :(

bsaenz24
01-09-2014, 07:47 PM
I know most love the Centipede Press Salem's Lot book and for the most part, I do too, but personally, I think it is much too large to actually read. I bought it basically because of the love of Salem's Lot itself.

T-Dogz_AK47
01-09-2014, 08:17 PM
I know most love the Centipede Press Salem's Lot book and for the most part, I do too, but personally, I think it is much too large to actually read. I bought it basically because of the love of Salem's Lot itself.

I thought you liked oversized books, Brad?

bsaenz24
01-09-2014, 08:35 PM
I thought you liked oversized books, Brad?

I do!! LOL! But seriously, the SL is a monster to try to actually read. Sort of like that Artists Inspired by King....BEAUTIFUL book!! A big tough to actually page through. I was very lucky to get one of the last $1k signed editions of that when he dropped the price to $300 to get rid of the last few.

T-Dogz_AK47
01-09-2014, 08:56 PM
I do!! LOL! But seriously, the SL is a monster to try to actually read. Sort of like that Artists Inspired by King....BEAUTIFUL book!! A big tough to actually page through. I was very lucky to get one of the last $1k signed editions of that when he dropped the price to $300 to get rid of the last few.

Very nice, Brad! I heard that book is a whopping 11 x 15!!! :D :cool:

The largest book I have is Secretary of Dreams, which is a huge 9 x 12. I absolutely love oversized books and I wished all CD books were 9 x 12. Nothing wrong with the current oversized 7 x 10, but I thought the size of Secretary of Dreams was spectacular! :cool:

bsaenz24
01-09-2014, 08:58 PM
Very nice, Brad! I heard that book is a whopping 11 x 15!!! :D :cool:

The largest book I have is Secretary of Dreams, which is a huge 9 x 12. I absolutely love oversized books and I wished all CD books were 9 x 12. Nothing wrong with the current oversized 7 x 10, but I thought the size of Secretary of Dreams was spectacular! :cool:

The art book was 11 X 15?? I have to measure it. I remember it being bigger. But then again, I told my wife the same thing! ;)

subie09lega
01-09-2014, 09:02 PM
Double posts can be deleted with the edit feature.

Theli
01-09-2014, 09:08 PM
Double posts can be deleted with the edit feature.

Some times it seems to work and others not. I have gone through the "Delete Post" process to have nothing happen.

T-Dogz_AK47
01-09-2014, 09:22 PM
The art book was 11 X 15?? I have to measure it. I remember it being bigger. But then again, I told my wife the same thing! ;)

LOL!!!! ;) :p

subie09lega
01-09-2014, 09:22 PM
That's strange, I think it's always worked for me. Now that I say that it will not work the next time I get a double post. ;)

T-Dogz_AK47
01-09-2014, 09:25 PM
What is it with all these double posts? It's annoying! :confused:

Dan Hocker
01-09-2014, 09:56 PM
I wish I knew. I try to catch them and delete them, but I sometimes miss them.

bookworm 1
01-10-2014, 12:44 AM
The oversized Stephen King art book in the slip case is 11 1/2 by 15 1/2. I just measured my copy. It is one heavy book. 2 inches thick. Yes it is hard to read. You need to have really strong leg muscles or a huge table.Great book though.

T-Dogz_AK47
01-10-2014, 06:34 AM
The oversized Stephen King art book in the slip case is 11 1/2 by 15 1/2. I just measured my copy. It is one heavy book. 2 inches thick. Yes it is hard to read. You need to have really strong leg muscles or a huge table.Great book though.

Awesome. I bet that book looks absolutely stunning!!! :cool: :cool:

bsaenz24
01-10-2014, 01:50 PM
Awesome. I bet that book looks absolutely stunning!!! :cool: :cool:

It really is stunning. Plus with all of those artist sigs.....I forget what it was...something like 50 great artists....it's a keeper!! I never would have been able to afford it at $1,000.

bsaenz24
01-10-2014, 01:50 PM
Awesome. I bet that book looks absolutely stunning!!! :cool: :cool:

It really is stunning. Plus with all of those artist sigs.....I forget what it was...something like 50 great artists....it's a keeper!! I never would have been able to afford it at $1,000.

Dave1442397
01-10-2014, 02:11 PM
I wish I knew. I try to catch them and delete them, but I sometimes miss them.

Dan, I'm using Firefox 25.0.1, and every time I use the Quick Reply option, when I click to post it always asks me whether I'm sure I want to "leave this page" or "stay on page". If I click "stay on page" it'll double post. If I click "leave this page" it'll post anyway, but just once.

Dan Hocker
01-10-2014, 02:22 PM
Interesting, maybe it's a problem with quick reply.

Edit: That said quick reply just worked for me.

bookworm 1
01-11-2014, 05:21 PM
here are some comparison photos to show the size difference between SOD and Knowing Darkness the Art of Stephen King.1422814228

Theli
01-11-2014, 05:24 PM
Holy hell! You can't even fit the whole thing in the picture.

bookworm 1
01-11-2014, 05:24 PM
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T-Dogz_AK47
01-11-2014, 05:50 PM
OMG! It makes Secretary of Dreams look tiny! :eek:

Theli
01-11-2014, 06:17 PM
It's secondary use is as a weapon for self defence.

bookworm 1
01-11-2014, 06:54 PM
Well you need to pump iron before you can do that. It is heavy as hell. One more pic.As you can see it is as thick as both volumes of SOD.14231

Theli
01-11-2014, 07:32 PM
Jesus, lol. Me want!

T-Dogz_AK47
01-11-2014, 08:47 PM
Yeah, I want this now too!!! :cool:

subie09lega
01-11-2014, 08:57 PM
There was a listing for signed copies of Knowing Darkness for very cheap but they sold out yesterday. There's some good pictures you can view on the listing though.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BIN-99-signed-by-author-Knowing-Darkness-Artists-Inspired-by-Stephen-King-/201003022153?pt=Antiquarian_Collectible&hash=item2eccb6b749%29*&nma=true&si=iryl2pFt0ORfdzenaGhiowcQ2lg%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Martin
01-11-2014, 09:08 PM
The slipcased edition seams to be available pretty regularly. http://www.ebay.com/itm/KNOWING-DARKNESS-ARTISTS-INSPIRED-BY-STEPHEN-KING-Signed-Centipede-Press-/261370688401?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item3cdae83391

T-Dogz_AK47
01-11-2014, 09:48 PM
Cool! Those prices are very reasonable, considering how awesome the book is. :D

Martin
01-11-2014, 10:33 PM
To be honest photo's cannot do this book justice. You have to have it in your hand to really understand the masterpiece that it is.
Cool! Those prices are very reasonable, considering how awesome the book is. :D

T-Dogz_AK47
01-11-2014, 10:52 PM
To be honest photo's cannot do this book justice. You have to have it in your hand to really understand the masterpiece that it is.

That's it, you've sold it to me! I am definitely getting my hands on a copy of this awesome book!!! :cool: :cool:

T-Dogz_AK47
01-11-2014, 10:52 PM
To be honest photo's cannot do this book justice. You have to have it in your hand to really understand the masterpiece that it is.

That's it, you've sold it to me! I am definitely getting my hands on a copy of this awesome book!!! :cool: :cool:

bookworm 1
01-11-2014, 11:53 PM
Sorry Martin but I have to disagree.This book is so big it does not fit in your hands.You need Hulk Hogan to lift it for you.:o
To be honest photo's cannot do this book justice. You have to have it in your hand to really understand the masterpiece that it is.

TerryE
01-12-2014, 04:46 AM
The book is amazing. I got an artist edition (unsigned) direct from Centipede on a scratch/dent sale, but I can't find anything wrong with it.

srboone
01-12-2014, 06:04 AM
Sorry Martin but I have to disagree.This book is so big it does not fit in your hands.You need Hulk Hogan to lift it for you.:o

He probably meant you have to fondle the book. Nothing wrong with fondling something that is larger than a handful.

Martin
01-12-2014, 06:05 AM
The book is too large to hold and read. To me that does not take away form the beauty of the book though. I set it on the kitchen table to read it.
Sorry Martin but I have to disagree.This book is so big it does not fit in your hands.You need Hulk Hogan to lift it for you.:o

Joe315
01-12-2014, 06:41 AM
It really is a beautiful book. One of my favorites.

T-Dogz_AK47
01-12-2014, 10:02 AM
He probably meant you have to fondle the book. Nothing wrong with fondling something that is larger than a handful.

LOL!!! ;) :o :p

T-Dogz_AK47
01-12-2014, 10:09 AM
The book is too large to hold and read. To me that does not take away form the beauty of the book though. I set it on the kitchen table to read it.

I am getting fire on the brain for a copy of this book now. I am definitely, definitely, DEFINITELY getting my hands on a copy of this! :cool:

Does anyone know how much the deluxe signed traycased edition currently sells for?

bookworm 1
01-12-2014, 12:49 PM
Have you been hanging around Brad again?:p
He probably meant you have to fondle the book. Nothing wrong with fondling something that is larger than a handful.

bookworm 1
01-12-2014, 12:51 PM
That is what I do. do you can get lost for hours in this book.
The book is too large to hold and read. To me that does not take away form the beauty of the book though. I set it on the kitchen table to read it.

T-Dogz_AK47
01-12-2014, 01:34 PM
That is what I do. do you can get lost for hours in this book.

OMG! Now you're just teasing me... :p

Dang! I want this book so bad now!!! :o

divemaster
01-13-2014, 01:49 AM
King was a bit harsh on his opinion of recent S/L editions. However, I do agree with his overall point. A book is meant to be read. I've got about 50 of his S/L'd, and guess what? I actually read them. Carefully, sure, but a book is meant to be read. If all I want is the story, I can get a paperback at the book swap for $1.00. But a fine edition just reads better, you know? Or else what's the point? Just to sit it on a shelf? Shrinkwrapped? Or in "shipping box"? If all you are going to do is put a book on the shelf and designate it "Do Not Touch," you might as well collect Hummel figurines.

subie09lega
01-13-2014, 02:02 AM
Hilarious and very true.

T-Dogz_AK47
01-14-2014, 09:10 PM
King was a bit harsh on his opinion of recent S/L editions. However, I do agree with his overall point. A book is meant to be read. I've got about 50 of his S/L'd, and guess what? I actually read them. Carefully, sure, but a book is meant to be read. If all I want is the story, I can get a paperback at the book swap for $1.00. But a fine edition just reads better, you know? Or else what's the point? Just to sit it on a shelf? Shrinkwrapped? Or in "shipping box"? If all you are going to do is put a book on the shelf and designate it "Do Not Touch," you might as well collect Hummel figurines.

I also think Stephen King was extremely harsh regarding his views on S/L editions, especially his opinions towards Centipede Press, which I thought to be completely unwarranted considering how awesome Jared's books are.

Interestingly, it seems Frank Darabont stepped into the breach to defend S/L editions and Jarad's books in particular. The following excerpt is taken from a telephone interview with Frank Darabont in February 2007 (only 1 month after Stephen King's interview): :D :)


Lilja: Stephen King says he isn’t that found of limited editions. What is your comment on that?

Frank Darabont: When I read your interview with Stephen King (wonderful interview, congratulations), I had to laugh when I read his comments about limited edition books. I laughed because he and I have had this debate many times. It is a loving debate, as only friends can have. After I read the interview, I sent him an email that said: "Steve, contary to your notion that people who buy limiteds never read them, I've read every single one of mine, some of them more than once. I had the gigantic 'Salem’s Lot limited from Centipede Press, all twenty pounds of it, resting on my stomach for three nights in a row as I lay in bed. Not only did I enjoy every word of it, but it also strengthened my stomach muscles. And last year I re-read that gorgeous The Stand limited edition published some 15 years ago that looked like the Bible and came in a wooden box." (That The Stand limited was actually a gift to me from Steve, which was incredibly generous of him!)

I went on to tell him: "I agree it's absurd to put a book on a shelf and never touch it, as if it were some holy relic instead of a book. That's like being afraid to open a bottle of wine because it's too expensive and rare, or afraid to drive a classic car for the same reason. Wine is meant to be drunk, books are meant to be read, classic cars are meant to be driven -- and I do all three!" (He responded by suggesting that I refrain from doing all three at the same time.)

As I've told Steve in the past, I really feel that presenting a beloved book as a limited edition is a way to honor that literary work and the author responsible for it. The people who create these limiteds do so because they love the book; it shows in the care and quality and effort they put into creating them. I feel it's a huge compliment to the book and its author. I became email friends with Jared Walters (who runs Centipede Press) because I was so knocked out by that awesome huge 'Salem’s Lot he published. So I got in touch to compliment him on it; I sent him a fan letter. And it was very clear to me as we emailed back and forth that he published that limited for one very compelling reason: Jared read 'Salem’s Lot when he was younger, and it changed his life. He loves that book so much that he wanted to honor it, make something special of it, like putting a painting in a perfect frame and hanging it on a wall with just the right lighting. (Jared still hopes to do The Shining some day as a limited, and I hope that Steve will eventually allow him. The Shining is the very first Stephen King book I ever read, so it's very special to me; it's the book that turned me on to King and led me to be a lifelong fan. It stands as one of Steve's all-time best works, and my personal favorite.)

As for people who buy these books, like me, they do so for the same reason: we love the book. I certainly wouldn't buy a limited of a book I didn't care for just as an investment, or some other silly reason -- but for a book I love, how wonderful to have a special edition of it! I've told Steve that as long as the books are also available in low-cost trade editions ("books for the people," as Steve admirably calls them), then what harm is there in doing a small number of special editions for loony, hardcore book lovers like me? It is the difference between buying a gorgeous custom-made chair lovingly handmade by an artisan who withholds no effort in crafting it, and buying a cheap mass-produced chair at Ikea. You can sit on both, they serve the same function, but the aesthetic of the hand-crafted chair makes it a piece of art in itself.

Here's another analogy I've given Steve. You can go see a flawless 65mm print of Lawrence of Arabia in a beautiful theater with great projection and sound, or you can watch it on a crappy videotape at home. You're seeing the same movie, all the words are there, but the experience is vastly different. The same thing holds true for a book. You can read something on acid-free paper with a hand-sewn binding that your great-grandchildren can read because the book will last for centuries, or you can pick up a paperback that'll turn yellow and fall apart after a few readings.

When I have reverence for a literary work (as I obviously do for King's oeuvre), I love the sense of event and ritual involved in reading a special edition. Opening the box or pulling it from the slipcase...the smell of the binding, the quality of the paper...it's an experience that says: "this book is special to me." It's like seeing that flawless print of Lawrence of Arabia in a theater: by indulging ourselves in the best presentation of that experience, we not only heighten our enjoyment of it, but we also honor the artist who spent years developing his talent and has put so much effort into creating this piece of art that we love. To put it another way, there's just simply a big difference between seeing Monet's Waterlillies reproduced in a book, and seeing the actual canvasses hanging on the wall at the Monet Museum.

Anyway, that's my side of the debate. I love Steve and respect his opinions enormously, but I'm sure our debate will continue and we'll never see totally eye-to-eye on this. Steve always responds to my impassioned perspective by making gagging sounds and yelling: "Books for the people!" I respond to him: "Thank you, Karl Marx, but I want my fucking limiteds. As long as the people aren't starving, I occasionally want filet mignon and a bottle of Mouton Rothschild." It's a pretty funny debate, because Steve and I are politically identical. We're both liberal democrats who believe in compassion and fairness, that everybody in our society should be cared for. But when it comes to limiteds, I'm more like Marie Antoinette: "Let them read paperbacks."


The transcript of the full interview is published on the Lilja's Library website:

http://www.liljas-library.com/showinterview.php?id=38

divemaster
01-14-2014, 09:49 PM
That is all sorts of awesome. Thanks for posting it.

subie09lega
01-14-2014, 09:58 PM
That makes me wish Jerad had had the opportunity to make The Shining. It would have been beautiful and great for abdominal workouts.

T-Dogz_AK47
01-14-2014, 10:21 PM
Agreed. The Centipede Press edition of The Shining would have been to die for... :cool:

Neiaushie79
01-14-2014, 10:26 PM
If we wait another 30 years, we might get our wish, lol

Theli
01-14-2014, 10:33 PM
Great interview, Tim. Thanks for posting it!

bsaenz24
01-14-2014, 10:50 PM
Agreed. The Centipede Press edition of The Shining would have been to die for... :cool:

Of course with the normal delays that can come with specialty press books, if you die before it ships.....yeah, that would suck, because you would never know if your copy ever showed up!! Oh, and the whole dead thing....

T-Dogz_AK47
01-14-2014, 11:02 PM
I always thought Frank Darabont was great, but after reading that interview I think he is an absolute legend!!! :cool: :cool:

subie09lega
01-14-2014, 11:04 PM
I think he should make all of King's books into movies. The Darabont Masterpiece Collection.

T-Dogz_AK47
01-14-2014, 11:09 PM
I think he should make all of King's books into movies. The Darabont Masterpiece Collection.

That I would definitely like to see!!! :D

Frank Darabont is a Grandmaster when it comes to making Stephen King adaptations. :cool: :cool:

St. Troy
04-06-2016, 07:57 PM
Stephen King:
I mean…the worst one in a way and I don’t…this guy is gonna read this and be so bummed. This guy Jared Walters did Salem’s Lot in a limited. He basically fucking wore me down because he would come back every six months or so and say, “Please, please, please, please” and I’m very vulnerable to that if people, I mean, if he’d come to me and said that he wanted to do a Dollar Baby I would say, “Yes” immediately but this guy wants to do this big huge book with this, I don’t know, incredible binding done in some endangered species or something and finally the books come out and people like Frank Darabont and other collectors just loved that book and he wants to do The Shining next and so far I’ve just told him, “No”. Because it’d be another book like Salem’s Lot. It’ll weigh twenty pounds, and people will put it on their shelf and look at it and they won’t actually read it.

I know this issue is going back quite two years, but after reading this entire thread yesterday, today I found a listing for the Centipede SL with a note from King reading, in part:

"Dear Jerad,
All I can say is wow - this is going to be quite a package! Can't wait to see the finished product - I'm totally blissed out, as my son Owen would say. Totally cool.
...
Again - wow."

So...did SK have second thoughts? Or perhaps he was simply being kind, given that he'd already approved the work (too late to say "this is going overboard") and it was obvious that Jerad had put loads of care and effort into it?

Martin
04-08-2016, 06:06 AM
I know this issue is going back quite two years, but after reading this entire thread yesterday, today I found a listing for the Centipede SL with a note from King reading, in part:

"Dear Jerad,
All I can say is wow - this is going to be quite a package! Can't wait to see the finished product - I'm totally blissed out, as my son Owen would say. Totally cool.
...
Again - wow."

So...did SK have second thoughts? Or perhaps he was simply being kind, given that he'd already approved the work (too late to say "this is going overboard") and it was obvious that Jerad had put loads of care and effort into it?

First I would like to say welcome to the board St. Troy. I know King has had some sort of issue with Centipede Press but I believe it had nothing to do with the actual book they produced. King has been very supportive of the small press over the years and I recall a comment relating to the the early Dark Tower books, and the fact that they were only available from Grant, about how not everyone needs to have access to every story.

St. Troy
04-08-2016, 01:54 PM
First I would like to say welcome to the board St. Troy.

Thanks.


I know King has had some sort of issue with Centipede Press but I believe it had nothing to do with the actual book they produced.

Something personal? If so, unfortunate.


...not everyone needs to have access to every story.

Did SK actually say something to this effect? If so, I find that even more surprising, given his "books for the people" stance against elitist books etc. What's more elitist than something that most people aren't allowed to read?

mhatchett
04-08-2016, 04:37 PM
Who knows what goes on behind the scenes with any of these transactions? I'm sure I probably don't want to know. I do know that based of their output both of these individuals are well respected. I've never had an interaction with SK but I've had many with Jerad, all of them positive. As far as the Centipede edition of Salem's Lot goes, I couldn't afford it then and I sure couldn't afford it now. I think Jerad published that book as a piece of art, an homage to King. I think it's kind of sad the King didn't see it that way. But we all move onto the next project and I can’t wait to see CD’s Salem’s Lot and Jerad’s Cornell Woolrich set. That whole elitist thread is a little weird. All these books are available in paperback, so no one is being denied access. Collecting special editions is really no more expensive than smoking regularly and chugging beer it's a choice some people make. some people are so elite they do all of that at the same time lol!!

Dan Hocker
04-08-2016, 05:12 PM
People also change their opinions on things over time. So what was said at one point in time doesn't necessarily mean that that's their opinion forever.

Martin
04-08-2016, 05:24 PM
Thanks.



Something personal? If so, unfortunate.



Did SK actually say something to this effect? If so, I find that even more surprising, given his "books for the people" stance against elitist books etc. What's more elitist than something that most people aren't allowed to read?

I have read much speculation about why King will not partner with Centipede Press but have no real information.

Prior to the mass market versions on The Dark Tower books being released I remember in an interview with King when he was asked about the fact that these books numbered in the thousands in print when most of his books were in the millions. King's response was that these were not his typical books and that many of his readers may not care for the stories and that he had no problem with limited printings and that not everyone needed to have access to every story. I do not recall where I saw the interview and have not seen it again.

mhatchett
04-08-2016, 07:47 PM
Dan and Martin make very valid points. I will simply make the point that there Many other writers I would like to see Jerad publish other than SK. He seems to be well represented in the publishing world.

Theli
04-08-2016, 08:05 PM
Who knows what goes on behind the scenes with any of these transactions? I'm sure I probably don't want to know. I do know that based of their output both of these individuals are well respected. I've never had an interaction with SK but I've had many with Jerad, all of them positive. As far as the Centipede edition of Salem's Lot goes, I couldn't afford it then and I sure couldn't afford it now. I think Jerad published that book as a piece of art, an homage to King. I think it's kind of sad the King didn't see it that way. But we all move onto the next project and I can’t wait to see CD’s Salem’s Lot and Jerad’s Cornell Woolrich set. That whole elitist thread is a little weird. All these books are available in paperback, so no one is being denied access. Collecting special editions is really no more expensive than smoking regularly and chugging beer it's a choice some people make. some people are so elite they do all of that at the same time lol!!

Where's my lettered edition of 'Salem's Lot so I can spill beer and blow smoke on it!

mhatchett
04-08-2016, 10:28 PM
As long as you don't Blow Beer on it LOL!!!

Martin
04-08-2016, 10:45 PM
Dan and Martin make very valid points. I will simply make the point that there Many other writers I would like to see Jerad publish other than SK. He seems to be well represented in the publishing world.

I would agree with that.

bugen
04-09-2016, 02:44 AM
Welcome to the forum St. Troy, and thank you for resurrecting this thread. There is a lot of great info here I wasn't aware of.

Thank all of you guys for posting about this stuff.